Makkah Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[r3alist]

Don't think Either Turkey or Saudi will dare to fight India if India goes to war with Pakistan over kashmir or Indus water.
This is just an agreement on paper, nothing more.

The Turks already sent a warship last time, that was enough

They just need to do enough, because it's India

 

[Aziqbal]

Unless I see a written copy of the agreement which clearly states that this Makkah agreement is only triggered when one is attacked by a NON-MUSLIM country then its a totally worthless agreement not worth the paper it’s written on

 

[Trisolaran]

This is a What if scenario ..... even I could present one such scenario like

- what if Turkey come under attack by other NATO members for some weird reason may be due to its conflict of interests with some countries of NATO over Greece, Lebanon, or over Kurdistan issue ???

- What if KSA fall under social and cultural unrest due to policies of Crown Prince Salman or power struggle with in the Riyal family ???

- what if Pakistan which already in political and administrative chaos and also come subjected face low intensity limited war like scenario by India over continues period ???

So the point is there may be many triggering points which may create many imaginary scenarios but nobody actually knows what future hold ....

Important thing is can this agreement fullfil the immediate national interest of these countries or may reduce the immediate threats these countries are facing .... I am not very confident on this but something is better than nothing ....

So let see what future this alliance have

Just give us nuclear weapons and forget

 

[r3alist]

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[Trisolaran]

Central asia is deeply divided and they absolutely hate each other like greeks and turks. They genocide each other if they could.

The only players in Central Asia are Russia which is the language spoken and the peoples names are russian. They also part of Russia CSTO mutual defence treaty. The other big player is China who has invested untold billions and have oil pipelines and massive infrastructure deals in central asia which borders china western region.

Turkey doesn't share a land border with central asia and militarily or economically is irrelevant in central asia besides some token words.

Realy? Wich ethnic conflict there is among central asians?? Do uzbeks and turkmens hate each others or Tatars and Kazakhs?

 

[retaxis]

Realy? Wich ethnic conflict there is among central asians?? Do uzbeks and turkmens hate each others or Tatars and Kazakhs?

Major ethnic and race riots in Central Asia include the lethal 2010 clashes in Kyrgyzstan between Kyrgyz and Uzbeks, the 2020 Dungan-Kazakh violence in Masanchi, Kazakhstan, and the historic 1916 anti-Russian revolt (Urkun). These events stemmed from a mix of economic competition, historical grievances, and political instability. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Key Ethnic Conflicts in Modern Central Asia

• • Southern Kyrgyzstan (June 2010): Severe ethnic riots erupted between ethnic Kyrgyz and the Uzbek minority, primarily in the cities of Osh and Jalal-Abad. Around 470 people died, and hundreds of thousands were displaced before order was restored. [1]
  • Korday District, Kazakhstan (February 2020): Deadly clashes broke out in the village of Masanchi between ethnic Kazakhs and the Dungan minority (a Muslim group of Chinese origin). The violence left at least 8 people dead, dozens injured, and caused hundreds to flee across the border into Kyrgyzstan. [1, 2]
  • The Central Asian Revolt (1916): Triggered by a Tsarist decree conscripting native Muslims into labor battalions during World War I, this massive uprising led to widespread ethnic and class violence targeting Russian and Slavic settlers, followed by brutal military suppression and heavy loss of life. [1, 2, 3]
  • Osh Riots (1990): Late-Soviet ethnic tensions over land and housing allocation sparked violent clashes between ethnic Kyrgyz and Uzbeks in Osh, resulting in high casualties just before the collapse of the Soviet Union. [1, 2]

If you are researching a specific event, would you like details on the root causes, the political aftermath, or the humanitarian impact of one of these conflicts?

 

[HRK]

This treaty is useless till logistic route is available between all three countries, meaning withiut iran and iraq land links are not available and logistically pakistani manpower cannot get to the doors of europe or israeli aggression to protect any of the two countries (turkey and saudia) … iran and iraq and important for an effective treaty

If this this agreement worth anything then these countries now purpose another wider agreement of Non-Interference and No Aggression agreement to all the regional countries of larger MENA region.

Without this I am not confident about future of this Military Alliance

 

[PashtunAfghan]

The Turks already sent a warship last time, that was enough

They just need to do enough, because it's India

Token gestures don't mean anything. When India becomes 2nd largest economy in the world and major trading partners of Turkey and Saudi.
It'll make little sense for them to side with Pakistan over India.
I feel like Pakistan doesn't gain anything from this agreement but Ale Saud and to a certain extent Turkey get to use Pakistani soldiers to their advantage.
Pakistan is getting dragged into pity middle eastern proxy games between Iran and it's rivals I feel.

 

[r3alist]

Elastic is a good word I think in this scenario

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[Yasser76]

Token gestures don't mean anything. When India becomes 2nd largest economy in the world and major trading partners of Turkey and Saudi.
It'll make little sense for them to side with Pakistan over India.
I feel like Pakistan doesn't again anything from this agreement but Ale Saud and to a certain extent Turkey get to use Pakistani soldiers to their advantage.
Pakistan is getting dragged into pity middle eastern proxy games between Iran and it's rivals I feel.

"When India becomes $10 Trillion economy saar things will change"...

 

[Trisolaran]

Major ethnic and race riots in Central Asia include the lethal 2010 clashes in Kyrgyzstan between Kyrgyz and Uzbeks, the 2020 Dungan-Kazakh violence in Masanchi, Kazakhstan, and the historic 1916 anti-Russian revolt (Urkun). These events stemmed from a mix of economic competition, historical grievances, and political instability. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Key Ethnic Conflicts in Modern Central Asia

• • Southern Kyrgyzstan (June 2010): Severe ethnic riots erupted between ethnic Kyrgyz and the Uzbek minority, primarily in the cities of Osh and Jalal-Abad. Around 470 people died, and hundreds of thousands were displaced before order was restored. [1]
  • Korday District, Kazakhstan (February 2020): Deadly clashes broke out in the village of Masanchi between ethnic Kazakhs and the Dungan minority (a Muslim group of Chinese origin). The violence left at least 8 people dead, dozens injured, and caused hundreds to flee across the border into Kyrgyzstan. [1, 2]
  • The Central Asian Revolt (1916): Triggered by a Tsarist decree conscripting native Muslims into labor battalions during World War I, this massive uprising led to widespread ethnic and class violence targeting Russian and Slavic settlers, followed by brutal military suppression and heavy loss of life. [1, 2, 3]
  • Osh Riots (1990): Late-Soviet ethnic tensions over land and housing allocation sparked violent clashes between ethnic Kyrgyz and Uzbeks in Osh, resulting in high casualties just before the collapse of the Soviet Union. [1, 2]

If you are researching a specific event, would you like details on the root causes, the political aftermath, or the humanitarian impact of one of these conflicts?

Ok fair answer.. Still fight among Turkic peoples are rare and there is no ethnic hatred behind it as motivation.. But conflict with non turkic peoples are not that rare

 

[Abdul q]

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[Trisolaran]

Token gestures don't mean anything. When India becomes 2nd largest economy in the world and major trading partners of Turkey and Saudi.
It'll make little sense for them to side with Pakistan over India.
I feel like Pakistan doesn't again anything from this agreement but Ale Saud and to a certain extent Turkey get to use Pakistani soldiers to their advantage.
Pakistan is getting dragged into pity middle eastern proxy games between Iran and it's rivals I feel.

This alliance is only against Iran.. When USA start the war again, Saudis will attack islets in Gulf, Pakistan will attack Iranian Balochistan and Türkiye will attack Southern Azerbaijan + parts of Iranian k*rdistan..

Before that happens, We will help Saudis against Houthis and Saudis will help our economy, that is a win for both Pakistan and Turkiye.. As for soldiers,, They have enough Sudanese and Yemeni mercs

 

[r3alist]

Token gestures don't mean anything. When India becomes 2nd largest economy in the world and major trading partners of Turkey and Saudi.
It'll make little sense for them to side with Pakistan over India.
I feel like Pakistan doesn't again anything from this agreement but Ale Saud and to a certain extent Turkey get to use Pakistani soldiers to their advantage.
Pakistan is getting dragged into pity middle eastern proxy games between Iran and it's rivals I feel.

Heard this 20 years ago

Heard this 10 years ago


5 years ago

India is already meant to be running it's region, instead you lost Bangladesh somehow

Right now Your GDP is getting picked apart, no one needs a world factory, no one thinks it could be India anyway so pointless to talk, ai / h1b bye bye is causing chronic crisis with your youth, your tech capabilities are meh, lead in nothing at all, always risk averse yet full of self importance, indispensable in your head that's it
The world sees this too


Token gestures made India attempt to boycott the nation of Turkey lol you forgot

 

[Anatolia]

Major ethnic and race riots in Central Asia include the lethal 2010 clashes in Kyrgyzstan between Kyrgyz and Uzbeks, the 2020 Dungan-Kazakh violence in Masanchi, Kazakhstan, and the historic 1916 anti-Russian revolt (Urkun). These events stemmed from a mix of economic competition, historical grievances, and political instability. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Key Ethnic Conflicts in Modern Central Asia

• • Southern Kyrgyzstan (June 2010): Severe ethnic riots erupted between ethnic Kyrgyz and the Uzbek minority, primarily in the cities of Osh and Jalal-Abad. Around 470 people died, and hundreds of thousands were displaced before order was restored. [1]
  • Korday District, Kazakhstan (February 2020): Deadly clashes broke out in the village of Masanchi between ethnic Kazakhs and the Dungan minority (a Muslim group of Chinese origin). The violence left at least 8 people dead, dozens injured, and caused hundreds to flee across the border into Kyrgyzstan. [1, 2]
  • The Central Asian Revolt (1916): Triggered by a Tsarist decree conscripting native Muslims into labor battalions during World War I, this massive uprising led to widespread ethnic and class violence targeting Russian and Slavic settlers, followed by brutal military suppression and heavy loss of life. [1, 2, 3]
  • Osh Riots (1990): Late-Soviet ethnic tensions over land and housing allocation sparked violent clashes between ethnic Kyrgyz and Uzbeks in Osh, resulting in high casualties just before the collapse of the Soviet Union. [1, 2]

If you are researching a specific event, would you like details on the root causes, the political aftermath, or the humanitarian impact of one of these conflicts?

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Kyrgyz waving the Uzbek flags... in Kyrgyzstan.
And the Chinese are investing billions for their own benefit , not from the goodness of their heart.