Makkah Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Ravenman]

I expect a countermove from Netanyahu soon.

A Jerusalem Pact between Israel-Greece-India-UAE-South Cyprus.

 

[Meengla]

Pakistani F16's are expressively prohibited by arms agreements with the US from offensive actions against India, including nuke delivery. There are US personnel stationed on PAF bases to maintain those aircraft, who regularly report to Embassy personnel on Pakistani compliance with those agreements.

The retired PAF official Khalid Chisti, who is generally credible, say that Pakistan's F16s were in the air as 2nd or 3rd tier in the May 2025 conflict with India; the F16s were old tech and couldn't face up to India's Rafale and so were put behind the more modern Pakistani (Chinese) jets. But with Trump finally approving the upgrades of Pakistani F16s--a request which was denied in 2021/22--the Pak F16s are nearly Rafale rivals. I am saying what Mr. Chisti said. Not too bad of a deal for Pakistan by spending about $800 million to upgrade dozens of F16s to make them worthy fighters up to year 2040!
I will add this: It is a myth that Pakistan F16s can't be used against India. If not India then who? Afghan Taliban? No country would buy such expensive jets to bomb just the militias.

 

[mythbuster]

Please limit your Imran Khan obsession to the appropriate thread. We don't need to know he lives rent free in your head everywhere.

For a change stop swimming in Imrans drivels .

 

[Yasser76]

I expect a countermove from Netanyahu soon.

A Jerusalem Pact between Israel-Greece-India-UAE-South Cyprus.

Very very unliklely

UAE are playing a double game but a full blown pact with Israel will see them lose all GCC support

Greece can barely help herself let alone others

India, enough said the better. Lack of assets they can inetgrate with Israel and the UAE, also geography itself would make this very very difficult

 

[Ali_Baba]

I expect a countermove from Netanyahu soon.

A Jerusalem Pact between Israel-Greece-India-UAE-South Cyprus.

Would be useful for them to do that, to have it all in the open and on the board.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Türkiye and Iran have been the historical powers in the middle east, and you can't have any construct that does not involve these two countries and for it to last, I think in time Iran will join. I think, had this war not started, then with the ongoing China/Iran/Middle East mediation that was going on where Iran was being brought in from the cold, Iran would have been a founding member of the treaty.

The iran of the last thousand years was a largely a Turkic construct. The iran of today is not the same thing. Truth be told since the advent of Islam persians have mostly been a conquered peoples.

If you pay attention to how they end up losing, its usually massive levels of arrogance followed by a complete and total failure in being able to read the geopolitical realities.

 

[Desprado123]

Even though I seriously dislike current hybrid system of Asim Munir, but what you wrote about is 100% true.

People would be saying, that oh only IK could have done that.. Look for first time in 100s of years something like Islamic NATO is being formed because of our leader. If IK would have gone to Iran for SL funeral than we'd be praising like anything (Just what asim munir did too). At the same time, the N-league would be saying he should not have gone, look what Trump would think. This is our problem. We never think without a political bias. Why on earth we cannot put aside filthy political bias before any such thing. We follow political affiliations like a religion. That is absurd. We need to change this mindset. This has to happen across the spectrum.

Issue of Imran Khan was that we handle our foreign affairs like he managed his party. He thought that he can say anything like in Pakistan and no one would mind or reply. Pratically we were net zero in handling foreign affairs at that time. We ruined our relationship with Ksa to please iran, we bad mouthed EU and USA public campaign etc that much bad it was.

 

[Pakistan First]

It's called facts on the ground. The army has failed repeatedly to protect ordinary citizens from terrorist groups all over Pakistan. But same army thinks it can protect Al Saud from the Houthis ?? Deluded people.

First thing is, if you come up with made up mind and fixed mindset then there is no need for doing arguements at all. You have to open up a closed mindset and absorb information so you can rectify and improve on various obviously wrong concepts.

Strategic alliances do not mean that everything needs to be perfect at your home before you do any such thing.

Its like people around the world were telling India that first feed your hungry, poor population and then spend money on sending space rockets. I am astonished at such mindset. Countries do not operate like that. You have to deal with everything at the same time and pursue domestic and foreign policies together.

You were proven wrong several times in this thread but you never aknowledged even once that you learned something. That behavior suggests you are not here for learning but only for arguing. For-example you were completely wrong when you said Pakistan do not have capabilities of air launched ballistic and cruise missiles, it do not have capabilities of air refueling etc.. I proven you with images that those were literally decades old capabilities. You did not aknowledged that you were wrong. Seems you are just here for petty narrative building exercise. Its a total waste of your own energies and others.

 

[mythbuster]

Q. Were you molested by a Care Bear?

He uses Care Bear white cream for his skin care

 

[Desert]

It's called facts on the ground. The army has failed repeatedly to protect ordinary citizens from terrorist groups all over Pakistan. But same army thinks it can protect Al Saud from the Houthis ?? Deluded people.

Your PTI obsession is still out of place in this thread.

Same thing applies on Egypt when the faggot sisi sent those rafales to UAE and he can't even face Ethiopia about the nile water.

corrupted generals everywhere it seems whether in Egypt or Pakistan or Turkey etc. all want the gulfies money,

 

[Yasser76]

First thing is, if you come up with made up mind and fixed mindset then there is no need for doing arguements at all. You have to open up a closed mindset and absorb information so you can rectify and improve on various obviously wrong concepts.

Strategic alliances do not mean that everything needs to be perfect at your home before you do any such thing.

Its like people around the world were telling India that first feed your hungry, poor population and then spend money on sending space rockets. I am astonished at such mindset. Countries do not operate like that. You have to deal with everything at the same time and pursue domestic and foreign policies together.

You were proven wrong several times in this thread but you never aknowledged even once that you learned something. That behavior suggests you are not here for learning but only for arguing. For-example you were completely wrong when you said Pakistan do not have capabilities of air launched ballistic and cruise missiles, it do not have capabilities of air refueling etc.. I proven you with images that those were literally decades old capabilities. You did not aknowledged that you were wrong. Seems you are just here for petty narrative building exercise. Its a total waste of your own energies and others.

Need to start reporting him, he will derail threads, present a constant anti-Pak/pro-Indian narrative and never has anything positive to contribute. No problem with that, typical Indian behaviour, just unsure why we let him parade our flag on his profile

 

[Meengla]

Not sure why people are so certain israel would attack Turkey, a NATO member. If Turkey actually believes that to be true, why bother staying in NATO? The organisation's sole purpose has always been a tool for US hegemony against the USSR, and now Russia.

I believe Israel and Turkey on a path of conflict and the Turkish inroads to Syria is a major Israeli concern--look at what Naftali Bennet says; he is the likely next Israeli PM!
As to Turkey and NATO: I am sure the Turks know that NATO will not come to their defense IF Israel attacks Turkey because NATO is essentially nothing without America. But being part of NATO has modernized not just the Turkish military but also a host of other technologies and business methods. Pakistan too benefited greatly from being in the Western orbit since Pakistan's inception. I saw somewhere even the SSG unit of Pakistani military was started by the Americans and now the SSG is a pride of Pakistan.

Pragmatic nations first build their infra and in today's world, it is obvious to everyone that it is now a Law of the Jungle! Military preparedness is the most important part of geopolitics. Ask the toothless countries how vulnerable they are without a military might. Pakistan, thankfully, is well prepared to face the Law of the Jungle.

 

[Pakistan First]

Pakistani F16's are expressively prohibited by arms agreements with the US from offensive actions against India, including nuke delivery.

That's all what we need bro. We have PLENTY of other platforms and methods for NUKE delivery. We knew before recieving F-16s that US will prohibit those for nuke delivery. Its perfectly fine for us ; )

 

[maxpane]

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That's all what we need bro. We have PLENTY of other platforms and methods for NUKE delivery. We knew before recieving F-16s that US will prohibit those for nuke delivery. Its perfectly fine for us ; )

Bhai kiyin sir khapa rahy ho . dnt waste your time. its totally waste of time

 

[Starlord]

That statement of yours pretty much gives a clear idea of who & what you truly are..., faggot.

But that's okay, 'cause in the end I was always told to have a soft spot for retards. You fit that bill perfectly.

@Yasser76 @Master Chief @Starlord @Distant_Observer

Put him in your ignore list bro, he has birth defect, Can't fix what Allah has refused to fix. 100's of intelligent, Briliant minds of Turkish/KSA national security advisors, think tanks and analysts with decades of expertise, Ph.D's and other economic/geopolitics/defense related education but they all got it wrong but this user on PDF got everything right, lol yeah sit down big fella. People here discussing hypotheticals which didn't happen, they made up scenario's and based on these scenarios they are trolling this agreement which signed not even 48 hrs ago. Like talk about the narcissist behavior at its peak. Some are just upset because of their Sectarianism, if this agreement was done with Iran/Houthis then this would become Halal Agreement, Literally none of the 3 countries who signed named any enemy, Not Iran, Not India, Not Greece... they just signed a defense agreement which formalize a already existing defense coorporation. Pakistani Chutiye mostly certain sect, or followers of forgotton leader sitting in jail, if this Agreement was signed by Messiah Khan, than this agreement would've been better than Agreement of Hudaibiya which Rasool Allah signed, because they offer their namaz facing Adiyala Jail not Mecca.
I am just enjoying the burnouts, crashouts, freakouts, because these seasonal tidday will make their Chu chu and eventually few of them get banned, or retreat to their own country's sections, none of them holds a reasonable argument against this agreement or can provide any evidence that its against any particular country.
Just enjoy the show brother