Maldives sacks multiple ministers to pacify India

[Joe Shearer]

Whenever India has seen the necessity it has acted against China without even giving a hoot about Chinese anger..... be it 1967 chola vally incident, be it sikkim merger against Chinese will in 1975 or be it Arunachal Pradesh merger in 1986.... if you remember China even sent a letter to USA that they will teach India a lesson for this misadventure...... but they never dared.....

Even in doklam India successfully stopped Chinese road construction or at least clearly conveyed a message to China where the Indian red line starts.....

Every single instance relates to a time when the politicians allowed the Army to do its job without interference, except for Sikkim. That was handled differently, and was one of the two or three thoroughly shameful things that Indira Gandhi did.
I am not aware of the Arunachal Pradesh merger.
Doklam was an incident; Chinese bullying was stopped then, there; it continued in expanded form afterwards.

 

[Pingle]

Every single instance relates to a time when the politicians allowed the Army to do its job without interference, except for Sikkim. That was handled differently, and was one of the two or three thoroughly shameful things that Indira Gandhi did.
I am not aware of the Arunachal Pradesh merger.
Doklam was an incident; Chinese bullying was stopped then, there; it continued in expanded form afterwards.

Yes agree but it shows that there is a red line to China as well when it comes to India..... except Vietnam in 1979 only nation that can stand up against the bully of china that is certainly India.....

I forgot to mention the asylum given to Dalai Lama by India ignoring all the Chinese threats that time..... again an anti china move....

Bhutan itself might be settling with China on something but even Bhutan has Indian red line of jhamperi ridge where India red line applies to china as well as Bhutan if they decide to cooperate with China..... we might see Bhutan becoming next sikkim....

We are no doubt weak party but I'm 100% sure if China determines to take ladakh or Arunachal Pradesh or cutting chicken neck by force this time Indian response will be a massive retaliation the Chinese will never forget......

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes agree but it shows that there is a red line to China as well when it comes to India..... except Vietnam in 1979 only nation that can stand up against the bully of china that is certainly India.....

I forgot to mention the asylum given to Dalai Lama by India ignoring all the Chinese threats that time..... again an anti china move....

Bhutan itself might be settling with China on something but even Bhutan has Indian red line of jhamperi ridge where India red line applies to china as well as Bhutan if they decide to cooperate with China..... we might see Bhutan becoming next sikkim....

We are no doubt weak party but I'm 100% sure if China determines to take ladakh or Arunachal Pradesh or cutting chicken neck by force this time Indian response will be a massive retaliation the Chinese will never forget......

There will be, within the Indian military, the will to fight back, but what I worry about is the irresolution of the politicians (of the only politician that matters) and that may hamstring the entire effort.
For that matter, if you look at the present state of preparedness of the Indian Army to fight the PLA in the Tibetan plateau, whether in eastern Ladakh or on the borders of Arunachal Pradesh, it is wanting.
Look at it your own self, and tell us what is needed to win.

 

[Pingle]

There will be, within the Indian military, the will to fight back, but what I worry about is the irresolution of the politicians (of the only politician that matters) and that may hamstring the entire effort.
For that matter, if you look at the present state of preparedness of the Indian Army to fight the PLA in the Tibetan plateau, whether in eastern Ladakh or on the borders of Arunachal Pradesh, it is wanting.
Look at it your own self, and tell us what is needed to win.

Double post

 

[Pingle]

There will be, within the Indian military, the will to fight back, but what I worry about is the irresolution of the politicians (of the only politician that matters) and that may hamstring the entire effort.
For that matter, if you look at the present state of preparedness of the Indian Army to fight the PLA in the Tibetan plateau, whether in eastern Ladakh or on the borders of Arunachal Pradesh, it is wanting.
Look at it your own self, and tell us what is needed to win.

Yes you are 100% correct on irresolution of politicians point...

For example I still feel bad when on the pick of India china tension modi didn't even utter a name china..... these are the things that make China bolder not a military posture.....

We should clearly inform china that if she doesn't care about India territorial integrity then we too won't care about china's territorial integrity ...... forget Tibet we can now recognize Taiwan as well.... this is the language they will understand but unfortunately our politicians Including modi lacks guts.....

Since you said in previous post you don't know much about Arunachal Pradesh merger the actual story was till 1986 Arunachal Pradesh was like a no man's land territory between India and China..... Don't know but it's still a mystery why china didn't merge it while invading Tibet or even 1962 war they didn't merge into china...... but in 1985 India sensed something tricky about PLA activities in the region that forced India to preempt and under Rajiv gandhi leadership (congress was really good till Rajiv Gandhi) we dropped paratroopers in Arunachal Pradesh merged it in Indian union and declared elections without caring about Chinese sentiments of AP being part of dragon claw.....

About preparedness frankly speaking I'm very much impressed with the speed Indian army deployed in 2020 in ladakh at the height of tension thanks to American gears like C 130, Globe Master, Chinook etc..... it shocked even China for sure.....

 

[Joe Shearer]

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Yes you are 100% correct on irresolution of politicians point...

For example I still feel bad when on the pick of India china tension modi didn't even utter a name china..... these are the things that make China bolder not a military posture.....

We should clearly inform china that if she doesn't care about India territorial integrity then we too won't care about china's territorial integrity ...... forget Tibet we can now recognize Taiwan as well.... this is the language they will understand but unfortunately our politicians Including modi lacks guts.....

Since you said in previous post you don't know much about Arunachal Pradesh merger the actual story was till 1986 Arunachal Pradesh was like a no man's land territory between India and China..... Don't know but it's still a mystery why china didn't merge it while invading Tibet or even 1962 war they didn't merge into china...... but in 1985 India sensed something tricky about PLA activities in the region that forced India to preempt and under Rajiv gandhi leadership (congress was really good till Rajiv Gandhi) we dropped paratroopers in Arunachal Pradesh merged it in Indian union and declared elections without caring about Chinese sentiments of AP being part of dragon claw.....

About preparedness frankly speaking I'm very much impressed with the speed Indian army deployed in 2020 in ladakh at the height of tension thanks to American gears like C 130, Globe Master, Chinook etc..... it shocked even China for sure.....

I understand your reference now, and how it originated.
The year 1987, not 1986, is when the union territory was converted into a state. There is more to it than that, and I will come back to you after tracing the name of the individual who went into Arunachal Pradesh, then NEFA, in the 50s, and whose travel there was the first administration of that territory by any modern authority.

For the rest, please see below.

 

[Joe Shearer]

For example I still feel bad when on the pick of India china tension modi didn't even utter a name china..... these are the things that make China bolder not a military posture.....

This is sad but inevitable.
The entire organisation and its ramifications are inward looking, and their entire thinking was until very recently tightly focussed on the relationships between Hindus and Muslims within India. When it comes to the outside world, and to external affairs, since their leadership essentially consists of upcountry people of eminence with little or no exposure to geopolitics, there is a vacuum at their higher levels about what policy was to be adopted towards other countries. It finally emerged as a transaction-oriented series of bilateral relationships, by which method the leadership sought to bring foreign affairs into a recognisable perspective that they could deal with.
Against a greater strength, the Sangh and its branches and affiliates have always taken a reserved and withdrawn stand, and have never challenged greater strength. Their challenges to the Congress party were based on their conviction that the Congress was weak, and ready to be pushed aside, therefore a correct assessment. Towards China, clearly a greater power with greater military capability, their stand has been reserved and withdrawn, therefore, and they will not willingly enter into disagreement with that nation.

 

[Joe Shearer]

We should clearly inform china that if she doesn't care about India territorial integrity then we too won't care about china's territorial integrity .

There is a real case for challenging China's presence in Xinjiang and in Xijang. That can wait for a detailed discussion.

 

[Pingle]

This is sad but inevitable.
The entire organisation and its ramifications are inward looking, and their entire thinking was until very recently tightly focussed on the relationships between Hindus and Muslims within India. When it comes to the outside world, and to external affairs, since their leadership essentially consists of upcountry people of eminence with little or no exposure to geopolitics, there is a vacuum at their higher levels about what policy was to be adopted towards other countries. It finally emerged as a transaction-oriented series of bilateral relationships, by which method the leadership sought to bring foreign affairs into a recognisable perspective that they could deal with.
Against a greater strength, the Sangh and its branches and affiliates have always taken a reserved and withdrawn stand, and have never challenged greater strength. Their challenges to the Congress party were based on their conviction that the Congress was weak, and ready to be pushed aside, therefore a correct assessment. Towards China, clearly a greater power with greater military capability, their stand has been reserved and withdrawn, therefore, and they will not willingly enter into disagreement with that nation.

Brother I will accept that on government level sangh have taken reserved and withdrawn stand but we can't simply ignore how they prohibited china in doklam as well as well known Indian Army incursion in kailash ranges on 29th August 2020 which forced back china on some compromises....

Late general Bipin Rawat had informed government that such incursion may lead to a full fledged war even then military was given full authority by Modi to do what seems correct for them.....

Congress was a great party till Rajiv Gandhi don't expect any miracles under the leadership of half Italian rahul gandhi the idiot.....

2013 daulat beg oldi incursion for a month by just 20 Chinese soldiers for a month and see how this Congress handled that matter......

 

[Joe Shearer]

Brother I will accept that on government level sangh have taken reserved and withdrawn stand but we can't simply ignore how they prohibited china in doklam as well as well known Indian Army incursion in kailash ranges on 29th August 2020 which forced back china on some compromises....

Late general Bipin Rawat had informed government that such incursion may lead to a full fledged war even then military was given full authority by Modi to do what seems correct for them.....

Congress was a great party till Rajiv Gandhi don't expect any miracles under the leadership of half Italian rahul gandhi the idiot.....

2013 daulat beg oldi incursion for a month by just 20 Chinese soldiers for a month and see how this Congress handled that matter......

I will not argue this point with you, because there will be no point of congruence. Let us nod politely at each other and disengage. Well, not disengage, actually, but I now know enough to put you into VersusChristi's bracket: a cultured and civilised but politically misguided person with whom I can exchange disagreement without losing my temper at the ignorance of the other person or causing irreparable harm to his constitution.

 

[vsdoc]

I will not argue this point with you, because there will be no point of congruence. Let us nod politely at each other and disengage. Well, not disengage, actually, but I now know enough to put you into VersusChristi's bracket: a cultured and civilised but politically misguided person with whom I can exchange disagreement without losing my temper at the ignorance of the other person or causing irreparable harm to his constitution.

Took you some time.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Pingle]

There is a real case for challenging China's presence in Xinjiang and in Xijang. That can wait for a detailed discussion.

Yes I think Muslim nations including Pakistan and Turkey has to come forward against China on this matter.....

 

[pikkuboss]

This is no longer a Maldives V/s Lakshadweep now. Please close it.

 

[Sharma Ji]

India-Maldives row: ‘PM Modi is trying to make…’, says cricketer Mohammed Shami

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[vsdoc]

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Cheers, Doc