Netanyahu authorises support for Argentina’s claim over Falklands

[j_hungary]

It's funny, back in late 70s people were also bemoaning the size and lack of kit of the RN. One thing I would say about the UK if really pushed and in an emergency the UK armed forces can work miracles and has done in the past. Things can get rushed into action kit can be adjusted and modified, lots of neglected capabilities can be rushed through and even retired stuff bought back in. British engineering is still world class. Dont let the currents state of the UK and British defence finances fool you into thinking Britain cannot fight of not needed, they will cannabilise their entire armed forces to rush and protect the Falklands. Even on paper the forces they can send are pretty formidable

If you look back at the Task Group sent in '82 and what can be sent now, in terms of kit is is formidable. Only real new capability argeis have is a few used F-16s. a 2027 UK task force could well be

1 QE Carrier with 24 F-35s (not even half fleet)
1 QE Carrier with with 2 RM Commando battalions and 12 Commando Merlin choppers (not even half the fleet) and 8 Navy Wildcats (not even a third of the fleet)
2 Type 45 Destroyers (third of the total fleet)
2 Astute Attack subs (less then a third of the fleet)
2 Type 23 Frigates (third of the fleet)


To support all of the above you will have the regular British Army and RAF that will be able to access a pool of kit and men below I have not even mentioned

50 Apache gunships
70 Chinook helcopters
6 highly ready rapid deployment infantry regiments trained for this role
1 Regular and 2 reserve units of the SAS supported by Special Recce Regiment and UKSF Support Regiment and 3 x Parachute regiments

8 C-17s
22 A400
14 A330 Voyeger MRTTs
100 Typhoons
Rest of the F-35 fleet
3 E-7 AEW
9 P-8 Posiden MPA

All in all, this would be a quicker win then 1982

It's very unfair to say that "since the size has shrunk, the RN is not as powerful as it used to be" Yes, number went down, but lethality actually increases, we just don't need that number to do that many things now, I mean a Type 45 can do what a Type 21 did, which is short course aerial interception, but at the same time, they can also do what a Type 42 did, which is sea interdiction.

A RN carrier battlegroup now (with 1 QE, 3 Type 45 and 4 Type 23) is probably twice as deadly than back then with the Hermes and the invincible class couple with 42s and 21/22s.

And the Argentinian are going to have to face a hostile population, this isn't going to work if Argentinian can take but cannot hold Falklands. The RN is going to make mince meat out of the Argentine Navy once they got there and then you will have unit fighting for themselves.

 

[Yasser76]

It's very unfair to say that "since the size has shrunk, the RN is not as powerful as it used to be" Yes, number went down, but lethality actually increases, we just don't need that number to do that many things now, I mean a Type 45 can do what a Type 21 did, which is short course aerial interception, but at the same time, they can also do what a Type 42 did, which is sea interdiction.

A RN carrier battlegroup now (with 1 QE, 3 Type 45 and 4 Type 23) is probably twice as deadly than back then with the Hermes and the invincible class couple with 42s and 21/22s.

And the Argentinian are going to have to face a hostile population, this isn't going to work if Argentinian can take but cannot hold Falklands. The RN is going to make mince meat out of the Argentine Navy once they got there and then you will have unit fighting for themselves.

Exactly. Type 45 will cover off the entire Islands and much of Argy mainland. Last time Harriers had to get within visual of Skyhawks and Mirages. This time the Argie F-16s and Mirages (unsure if the US released the AMRAAM) will face AESA and Meteor equipped F-35s and Typhoons

in 1982 the British military presence was half an RM platoon.

Now it is a reinforced infantry company, 4 Typhoons and a dedicated A400 and A330 MRTT. Add to that, the UK will get advance warning of any invasion and has specfically designed Mount Pleasant Base to handle mass aircraft and infantry reinforcement, any Argy invasion could well face an Infantry brigade and 2 Sqds of high end fighters based on the island in addition the Task Force I described

 

[onlinpunit]

So British Claims over an Island thousands of Miles away from their country is being justified by those who are against forced occupation of Palestine !

 

[hussain0216]

Argentina such a gigantic country till date can't take falkland island back from small England who controls it 8000 kms away from British mainland.....

This shows the power projection capability of Britain....

Argentina wants the islands back but could never prepare itself militarily to snatch it back from Britain..... if today also Argentina attacks then once again they will be given a bloody nose by British army and England will inflict heavy damage on Argentina mainland.... no doubt about it....

This is why India has been losing in warfare for a while now

 

[hussain0216]

Projecting power is difficult

In the age of 50km anti ship missiles and poor A.D it was possible


All Argentina needs is will
A decent anti-ship missile
A cheaper anti ship drone
Land attack missiles and drones
And some decent A.D

A air force able to launch air to ground weapons and anti ship weapons would help

If they get the above in decent numbers, then their is NO WAY the UK can keep the Falklands


Because projecting power over those distances with limited weapons dependent on a supply chain of thousands of miles is impossible


Even if they repel the initial attack
If the Argentines are adamant and keep shooting anti ship missiles and drones, it's ONLY A MATTER OF TIME before the Falklands fall




Argentinas biggest problem is it's economy and the fallout of a war

 

[Nuffle]

The period from 2015 to 2030 would have been the best historical window for the Argentines to attempt to retake the Falklands; however, they managed to outdo themselves by effectively dismantling their own navy.

Beyond 2030, such an endeavor becomes impossible, as the British are pouring billions of pounds into rearming the Royal Navy—ensuring that, in the medium to long term, their position will be significantly stronger than it is today.

Regarding an Argentine attempt to seize the islands:

They cannot—or, more accurately, they lack the capability to do so.

The Argentines possess virtually no amphibious landing capacity. Barring an airborne operation—using paratroopers—their navy could, at best, land a few platoons to establish a beachhead. That is, assuming they could even reach the islands, given that their escort vessels are obsolete and limited, particularly when faced with threats like anti-ship missiles and drones.

Furthermore, the islands are now defended by a much larger force than the single platoon present in 1982. The Argentines would suffer heavy casualties, and, in theory, the British would have sufficient time to bring in reinforcements—reinforcements that would face little threat, given the degraded state of the Argentine Air Force (which has only recently shown marginal improvement with the acquisition of a few F-16s).

Even a single Astute submarine—armed with roughly 24 torpedoes and 12 cruise missiles—would pose a formidable obstacle; should the need arise, a second vessel could be deployed.

Moreover, unlike in 1982—when the Argentines at least possessed submarines (though they were never effectively utilized)—they have had none for years, and will have none until at least 2030. It may well be another decade before their submarine capability is restored.