New Power Plant for JF-17 Thunder - News, Updates & Discussions

[Lulldapull]

Yeh, just like the JF17s were shot down on Feb 27th. The JF17s are part of a defense system designed to fight war and they are formidable weapons of war. If India believes the JF17s are inadequate for war then what are they waiting for? But then poodles like you have a habit of barking.

JF thunder never used on feb 19th brah……Khuda na karay JF thunder ever gets used in anger, cuz it’s not a good thing for us brah.

And I no poodle either. Irani's totally know what to do militarily……why can’t we figure it out?

The day we start doing what these irani’s are doing, all on their own……I will believe we’ve made it.

PS the proof of dat goin be when we take back our Kashmir from dem Indians…….not because of religion, but because of our culture.

Buss!

 

[MastanKhan]

Should news about the J-31B being enlarged to allow for a side bay support an even greater need for China to develop as powerful a medium thrust engine as possible? The F-414 engine has been estimated by its designers to have the potential to go to 26,000-28,000 in max thrust (117-126 kn), and China is progressing on the WS-15 to achieve 180 kn, meaning the technology will be there to apply to the WS-19 and try to match the F-414.

A 120-125 kn engine on the JF-17 would really open up the possibility for a fighter of that size. How would that impact the PFX project? Will the PAF become more ambitious with the design revisions if the WS-19 materializes and is available within the next 5 years?

Shenyang Announces New J-31B Stealth Fighter! Key Air Combat Details Revealed

Recently, Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) released a promotional video titled "We Walked Together." On the evening of July 1, CCTV’s Xiaoyang Video shared this promotional video, revealing the new J-31B "Gyrfalcon" stealth fighter at the end. If the video producer is correct, this new...

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Hi,

The J31 design has been frozen---. all that is needed is available---.

 

[MastanKhan]

JF thunder never used on feb 19th brah……Khuda na karay JF thunder ever gets used in anger, cuz it’s not a good thing for us brah.

And I no poodle either. Irani's totally know what to do militarily……why can’t we figure it out?

The day we start doing what these irani’s are doing, all on their own……I will believe we’ve made it.

PS the proof of dat goin be when we take back our Kashmir from dem Indians…….not because of religion, but because of our culture.

Buss!

Hi,

Iranians do the job for the west to control the muslim nations---. Basically iranian acts are acts of terror---.

If pak military did something the iranian do---it will start a revolution in the muslim nations wordlwide---.

Pakistan's acts would be to give muslim nations an awakening that the west is concerned about---.

 

[Lulldapull]

Hi,

Iranians do the job for the west to control the muslim nations---. Basically iranian acts are acts of terror---.

If pak military did something the iranian do---it will start a revolution in the muslim nations wordlwide---.

Pakistan's acts would be to make muslim nations think like leaders of the islamic world---.

Paa G, Iranis/ Shia less than 10% in muslim population globally. They doing reasonable.......good on dem.

All we got in common here is cheap fuel smuggling with them. Nothing much else in common.

And for that paa G......we are happy they helping us out in our tough times as neighbors.

 

[MastanKhan]

Paa G, Iranis/ Shia less than 10% in muslim population globally. They doing reasonable.......good on dem.

All we got in common here is cheap fuel smuggling with them. Nothing much else in common.

And for that paa G......we are happy they helping us out in our tough times as neighbors.

Hi,

We helped them more---.

 

[FuturePAF]

Hi,

The J31 design has been frozen---. all that is needed is available---.

Doesn’t seem the designers are done trying to improve the design.

 

[MastanKhan]

Doesn’t seem the designers are done trying to improve the design.

Hi,

What do you mean by "Doesn’t seem the designers are done trying"---?

Why do they need to improve the design---?

 

[FuturePAF]

Hi,

What do you mean by "Doesn’t seem the designers are done trying"---?

Why do they need to improve the design---?

With the F-18 fielding the Aim-174 (based on the SM-6) the J-31 design will need to be as good as it can be. Side bays allow it to carry two A2A missiles while the main bay maybe occupied with anti-shipping munitions. Improved engines could allow the plane to super cruise and impart higher energy to its own a2a munitions. Improved engine efficiency (similar to American Adaptive cycle engines) could allow the plane to extend its range or divert electricity to maximize the aircraft’s electronics performance.

There are still areas where Chinese engineers could improve the design of the plane and its engines. We see what is being done with the F-35, which the J-35 will face, and can assume China would seek to parity its current and expected capabilities.

The J-31/J-35 can’t only be for strike, it has to be capable of A2A combat as well.

 

[MastanKhan]

With the F-18 fielding the Aim-174 (based on the SM-6) the J-31 design will need to be as good as it can be. Side bays allow it to carry two A2A missiles while the main bay maybe occupied with anti-shipping munitions. Improved engines could allow the plane to super cruise and impart higher energy to its own a2a munitions. Improved engine efficiency (similar to American Adaptive cycle engines) could allow the plane to extend its range or divert electricity to maximize the aircraft’s electronics performance.

There are still areas where Chinese engineers could improve the design of the plane and its engines. We see what is being done with the F-35, which the J-35 will face, and can assume China would seek to parity its current and expected capabilities.

The J-31/J-35 can’t only be for strike, it has to be capable of A2A combat as well.

Hi,

Current design is already frozen for what would go to production---.

 

[FuturePAF]

Hi,

Current design is already frozen for what would go to production---.

For the PLAAF, PLANAF or the PAF or all three? This model of the “J-31B” has a single front wheel, meaning it is a design for land based fighters.

 

[FuturePAF]

For the PLAAF, PLANAF or the PAF or all three? This model of the “J-31B” has a single front wheel, meaning it is a design for land based fighters.

Furthermore, if this has the “J” designation that means it’s for Chinese domestic use. So it is not unreasonable to conclude this is to be fielded in the PLAAF (due to its single front wheel) along side the J-20 in a high low mix, or at least as a second manufacturer helping to fill Chinese 5th Gen fighter demand, as China looks set to replace all but its Flanker and J-10 fleets.

So why should the PAF rush to procure the J-31A when an improved design is already in the works. Better to improve the economy, wait a couple years, and get a better plane.

In the meantime, China can also improve the engine and we can field that engine on the JF-17 first, and transition over to making our PFX JF-17; with a 115-125 kn engine, approaching the F-16C Block 52 in terms of TWR. Reducing how many J-10s we need to procure and having more money for the J-31 and KAAN.

 

[enroger]

The J-31/J-35 can’t only be for strike, it has to be capable of A2A combat as well.

You have it backward. J-35's role is not like that of F-35, A2A is it's primary design requirement, just looking at aerodynamic shape you can tell the difference in requirement, internal magazine is designed to hold BVR missiles or SDB so far, larger payloads will have to go to external mounts.

It is strike capable, but its primary role must be A2A, especially there is the much more strike capable J-15 to focus on strikes.

 

[FuturePAF]

You have it backward. J-35's role is not like that of F-35, A2A is it's primary design requirement, just looking at aerodynamic shape you can tell the difference in requirement, internal magazine is designed to hold BVR missiles or SDB so far, larger payloads will have to go to external mounts.

It is strike capable, but its primary role must be A2A, especially there is the much more strike capable J-15 to focus on strikes.

Even more reason to hold out till a more capable design is built, at least for the PAF.

Btw, with a single front wheel, does this confirm it is intended for the PLAAF, alongside the J-20?

China has hundreds of J-7s, J-8s, and JH-7s to replace, as well as early model Flankers and J-10s to replace, and having two lines making at least 50 fighters a year each would allow the modernization process go faster. (Side note, it would be nice if the PAF could pick up some 65-70 of those early model J-10s after the PLAAF retired them, and gets a chance to refurbish them, help us retire our last Mirages and F-7s)

 

[enroger]

Even more reason to hold out till a more capable design is built, at least for the PAF.

Btw, with a single front wheel, does this confirm it is intended for the PLAAF, alongside the J-20?

China has hundreds of J-7s, J-8s, and JH-7s to replace, as well as early model Flankers and J-10s to replace, and having two lines making at least 50 fighters a year each would allow the modernization process go faster. (Side note, it would be nice if the PAF could pick up some of those early model J-10s after the PLAAF retired them, and gets a chance to refurbish them)

Indeed PAF should consider what is most advantagious for them, I'm just pointing out J-35's role.

Yes, I believe J-31 is for PLAAF, apart from export.

 

[silicon0000]

@FuturePAF J31B pic in circulation is fake. Just ignore it.