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Operation Azm-e-Istehkam | آپریشن عزم استحکام

Respect4Respect

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Yeahhhh that wheat thing was a special kind of dumb
they are not dumb, they are corrupt.

Don't you think people who signed IPPs contracts are traitors? now they are doing same with the Dams.



Ghazi Barotha Dam generates cheap electricity costing less than 2 rupees per unit, but Pakistan is selling 30-49% of the shares to Kuwait for 80 crore dollars AND trying to raise the per unit price to 10 rupees.
 

Goenitz

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O Dramay, Bus kar de. Jo bhi mou mein aye bolay jayo.

Bajwa ne mulk bech diya USA ko, 100 officers put up resignation, Asim Munir ab tak pata nai kis kis k Pakistan bech chuka hay, Fauj ne mulk torr diya hay aur pata nai kiya kiya.... 2 takay k journalists k 2 takay k analysis.
Its been 2-3 years since we have been hearing this crap in media and nothing of this sort has happened, neither will happen.

Even if Govt takes a step towards something, you ppl start screaming nonsense, and if Govt doesn't take a step, even then you scream nonsense.
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ایبٹ آباد کے تاریخی MES ایم ای ایس آفس میں انگریز دور کا وہ نایاب سٹیم انجن سے چلنے والا روڈ رولر بطور یادگار کھڑا تھا جس سے سارے ہزارے کی سڑکیں انگریزوں نے بنائی تھیں اس کو سٹیشن ہیڈ کوارٹر کے فوجی افسروں کی ملی بھگت سے ان کے فرنٹ مین کرپٹ ایکسیئن XEN نے کباڑ میں بیچ دیا ۔۔ کروڑوں روپے مالیت کے اس انٹیک بھاپ سے چلنے والے روڈ رولر کو ریل پر رکھ کر بیرون ملک سمگل کرنے کے لئے کراچی بندر گاہ لے جایا گیا​
 

PakAl

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A certain religious-extremist mentality exists within the KPK circle, that is dangerous for Pakistan itself. The second issue is family relationships across the border, where TTP have families inside Pakistan. The third issue is poverty where a person can do any anti-state act for few thousand Rs.

Fences, drones and military cannot sort these out.

Is it the same religious extremist mentality which was sponsored via certain brotherly states by pumping billions of dollars annually for 20+ years. It has spread to Punjab and Sindh aswell but the population there is alot more educated so majority don't fall prey to the violent extremism.

The only solution is to promote a Pakistan nationalist counter ideology, bring the war to the extremists. Turkey, Algeria, Morocco dealt with extremists and terrorism via this. They too had the same issue as Pakistan when billions were pumped to spread a terrorist ideology in to their lands.
 

Saifullah

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90% of what you mentioned is already being done, has been done.
The wadera that chopped off that camels leg a few days ago, why isn’t he in jail? Apparently he killed the camel owner after all the media attention.
This is just something recent. What about the countless car “accidents” by children of elite which kill innocents. Why don’t we see them ever get punished? When was the last time some elite was arrested and harshly sentenced for their crime? All all the state does is arrest the elites worker or guard and shift all the blame on them.
Injustice is probably at its peak in Pakistan right now. That alone is the biggest cause of militancy.
There were many operations in tribal areas but what development was done to the areas? A few schools built is useless. People need jobs. There was very little or no industries set up there. People still migrate to other areas of Pakistan for decent work opportunities.
Narrative wise Pakistan still promotes secularism in these conservative areas. Wasn’t it just a few months ago British army personnel visited some monument in tribal areas from the British occupation time?
If 90% of stuff has already been done, Pakistan’s future looks bleak.
 

PakAl

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Hopefully no negotiations with TTP which were on the cards when Taliban Khan was PM.

Nawaz Sharif Pmln, Fazlur Rehman JUI, Jamat Islami and PTI opposed any military operations against terrorists. General Raheel Sharif started operations when Parliament was debating, he gave the middle finger, took the war to the terrorists, it worked and reduced terrorism. JI and others issued fatwas that Pakistan soldiers are not martyrs, deep down they thought Pakistan will fall like Iraq and others. PDF members and Pakistanis should keep this in mind.
 

PakAl

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The wadera that chopped off that camels leg a few days ago, why isn’t he in jail? Apparently he killed the camel owner after all the media attention.
This is just something recent. What about the countless car “accidents” by children of elite which kill innocents. Why don’t we see them ever get punished? When was the last time some elite was arrested and harshly sentenced for their crime? All all the state does is arrest the elites worker or guard and shift all the blame on them.
Injustice is probably at its peak in Pakistan right now. That alone is the biggest cause of militancy.
There were many operations in tribal areas but what development was done to the areas? A few schools built is useless. People need jobs. There was very little or no industries set up there. People still migrate to other areas of Pakistan for decent work opportunities.
Narrative wise Pakistan still promotes secularism in these conservative areas. Wasn’t it just a few months ago British army personnel visited some monument in tribal areas from the British occupation time?
If 90% of stuff has already been done, Pakistan’s future looks bleak.

A great point you made, our rulers used to promote violent extremist ideology to reduce the secularism influence in Pakistan, especially in KPK and Balochistan and now doing a U turn and promoting secularism to reduce extremist ideology. A big flop policy again.
 

hussain0216

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Is it the same religious extremist mentality which was sponsored via certain brotherly states by pumping billions of dollars annually for 20+ years. It has spread to Punjab and Sindh aswell but the population there is alot more educated so majority don't fall prey to the violent extremism.

The only solution is to promote a Pakistan nationalist counter ideology, bring the war to the extremists. Turkey, Algeria, Morocco dealt with extremists and terrorism via this. They too had the same issue as Pakistan when billions were pumped to spread a terrorist ideology in to their lands.

Probably not, not because it didn't work elsewhere but because the religious Extremism is just a front for ethnocentric jahilat and Extremism

So you can try to counter the religious side with teachings, but how are you going to change a jahil ethno Extremist population who think they can lay claim to sovereign Pakistani territory
 

PakAl

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Probably not, not because it didn't work elsewhere but because the religious Extremism is just a front for ethnocentric jahilat and Extremism

So you can try to counter the religious side with teachings, but how are you going to change a jahil ethno Extremist population who think they can lay claim to sovereign Pakistani territory

Now that's another big problem, one is extremist who used religion as a weapon, other one is ethno extremist, we also have secular extremists in power, so one more big problem.
 

PakAl

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Interesting talk. Pakistan policy is clear on China, long term strategic partnership, China advising Pakistan to cool down political differences.

 
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The only thing I hear them chant day and night is Imran Khan. Not a moment passes without the mention of Imran Khan. They have put the man in jail. Imprisoned his entire party leadership. Raped women. Dragged elderly supporters and PTI politicians on streets. Kidnapped children. It goes on and on.

The only thing these people are afraid of is themselves. Now that they have the entire system rigged and the playing field for themselves they are still dissatisfied. Just remember that a thief never finds peace. His ill deeds keep following him until his death.
Except for throwing the clown in jail, none of what you have mentioned is true. Raped women? Really? At least be a bit professional. Vomiting propaganda and then expect us to take you lot seriously.
 

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