Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[Distant_Observer]

That does not address the basic problem of the mindset.

What he's trying to say is we would prefer the taliban to be a localized militia in the border region so they can be surrounded and operated on properly to finally create a buffer zone.

 

[T80UD]

One thing that needs to be considered is that the Afghandu Eids and Pakistani Eids are on different dates, they will on their 3rd day of Eid when it will be the first day of Eid in Pakistan.

They will likely take this temporary reprieve to gather forces and inflict as many casualties as they can.

 

[r3alist]

What he's trying to say is we would prefer the taliban to be a localized militia in the border region so they can be surrounded and operated on properly to finally create a buffer zone.

Ok fair enough, good clarification.


There is no easy solution, such is Pakistan's luck

 

[Oscar]

The thing is that a lot of footage on the strikes isn't from DB-110 pods. So I suspect JF-17s, UCAVs are being employed with their targeting pods.

As far as the munitions, I suspect American hardware is being used sparingly keeping it reserved for the RSS bigots across the border. I suspect only selectively some of American origin munitions are being used.

These operations should also give opportunity to the PAF to use locally developed guidance kits (GIDS) on conventional MK bombs.

I would have thought otherwise since the local kits have advantages of Beidou versus JDAMs which are still purely GPS with associated jamming vulnerabilities.

 

[Goenitz]

Brilliant post but the problen with applying Maslow's heiarchy of needs to Pakistan is that we are stuck at the bottom rung of the social mobility ladder:
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That age old nara "roti kapda makaan".

Sure. A nation cannot reach that level of its entirety. However, here our young graduates and those at a level above should reach that stage.

 

[MastanKhan]

Pakistans patience has now worn super thin. These people have attacked schools and mosques in Pakistan and people cant take it anymore. Until these people realise that messing with Pakistan will result in Afghanistan blown into smithereens.

Hi,

Pakistanis allowed it to happen because they have no respect of themselves and their nation---.

When it takes over 35 years to learn that whom you are calling brother is really your enemy---the people of that nation are doomed ( pakistanis ).

The supposed "islamic brotherhood" islami bhai charah was the seed---and now it has grown its roots deep and that is making the pakistanis cry---.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Hi,

Pakistanis allowed it to happen because they have no respect of themselves and their nation---.

When it takes over 35 years to learn that whom you are calling brother is really your enemy---the people of that nation are doomed ( pakistanis ).

The supposed "islamic brotherhood" islami bhai charah was the seed---and now it has grown its roots deep and that is making the pakistanis cry---.

Hi Mastan,

Happy to see this issue being raised by a senior respected member.

The younger generations of Pakistan are unfortunately a victim of such self-deprecating indoctrination being promoted as a religious duty while it damages us.

We hope it can end with our generation.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The Afghan Republic was basically the Northern Alliance with Pashtun characteristics
They were no friends of Pakistan if anything might have been a bigger danger with both international legitimacy and complete indian backing

They posed a bigger long term threat if that trajectory had continued both a conventional threat and ofcourse indian sponsored insurgencies in Baluchistan and Fata (just brand renaming of TTP just like what they did to ISIS in syria)

You cant really blame the Generals its not a completely baseless thinking

The trick is to leverage the Pahtuns and non-Pashtuns rivalry to the optimum, till the Blakanization remains the only option left....

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

The Afghan Republic was basically the Northern Alliance with Pashtun characteristics
They were no friends of Pakistan if anything might have been a bigger danger with both international legitimacy and complete indian backing

They posed a bigger long term threat if that trajectory had continued both a conventional threat and ofcourse indian sponsored insurgencies in Baluchistan and Fata (just brand renaming of TTP just like what they did to ISIS in syria)

You cant really blame the Generals its not a completely baseless thinking

Let the Northerners have a de-facto autonomous region ruled by their own militia including Kabul, it will balanace out Pashtun aggression in the South and provide a counter for Pakistan.

Ideally trick is to keep them roughly equal in power, maybe slightly favouring the North so the Taliban cant direct their hostile energy to Pakistan.

Might be the only way to manage this

 

[Blain2]

Please don't paddle lies that the Pakistanis and Muslims won't sympathies or mourn for their countrymen when they get attacked by TTP.
If you want to support or commit atrocities, do it on your own weight and merits.

It's pretty bleak in the West. Very noticeable when I have had the opportunity to sit in some family dinners with people of a certain political pursuation overseas. They tend to blame the GoP/Establishment for even the terrorism emanating from Afghanistan. Self-flaggellation to the extreme, no stone left unturned to turn on own country and government out of sheer spite. And now we see the same crowd going overtime to accuse Pakistan on the basis of Afghan/Indian propaganda on SM/Twitter etc.

 

[Master Chief]

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Why is anyone even remotely surprised?

Qatar is directly responsible for this as a self-declared guarantor of Talib lies.

Hope Iran ruins that pathetic excuse for a nation.

 

[Goenitz]

It's pretty bleak in the West. Very noticeable when I have had the opportunity to sit in some family dinners with people of a certain political pursuation overseas. They tend to blame the GoP/Establishment for even the terrorism emanating from Afghanistan. Self-flaggellation to the extreme, no stone left unturned to turn on own country and government out of sheer spite. And now we see the same crowd going overtime to accuse Pakistan on the basis of Afghan/Indian propaganda on SM/Twitter etc.

That will always happen. A center should always keep trying to make a consensus. All parties, provinces, and regions cannot agree all the time except in Pak-India scenario, etc.

Yes, we can blame Afg, India, etc for their faults, enmity and aggression, but we should also get the fair share and we cannot discount ourselves.

So, they (your family) are neither wrong nor right.

 

[Blain2]

That will always happen. A center should always keep trying to make a consensus. All parties, provinces, and regions cannot agree all the time except in Pak-India, etc.

Yes, we can blame Afg, India, etc ofr their faults, but we should also get the fair share of the blame.

So, they are neither wrong nor right.

You keep on saying that. This has nothing to do with "consensus". PPP and PML all have had their ups and downs with the Center/Establishment where they could not arrive on a consensus. However, they never told their supporters to take up an anti-Pakistan/anti-GoP narrative specially when it came to external threats and doing the dirty laundry externally.

For all their negatives, corruption etc., PPP/PML maintained a code to not turn against the country and that too publicly. Not so the case today with one political demographic.

You can make excuses for why that is but that is the reality.

 

[Goenitz]

You keep on saying that. This has nothing to do with "consensus". PPP and PML all have had their ups and downs with the Center/Establishment where they could not arrive on a consensus. However, they never told their supporters to take up an anti-Pakistan/anti-GoP narrative specially when it came to external threats and doing the dirty laundry externally.

For all their negatives, corruption etc., PPP/PML maintained a code to not turn against the country and that too publicly. Not so the case today with one political demographic.

You can make excuses for why that is but that is the reality.

So, corruption, installing compromised people on top like IWT person, sharing list IK Gujral, or ISI operative in E. Punjab, or PPP role in East Pakistan, or Eint-se-Eint, Dawn leaks, money laundering, benami foreign account, Layari gang, MQM amman committee, Zulfiqar, tangay kanp rahi thi, Ghosht noch k kha gaey, etc are not anti-Pakistan.

Unless it is taking up arms against the country, everything is fine as it can be dealt with through legal procedure and narrative building. Questioning the government is not being anti-GoP.

If the govt is capable and rooted in the public, it can convince the entire population that why bombing Afghanistan is generally all right.

PMLN and PPP won't care even if the entire Pak gets burned, at least Asif said that the ambassador about the drone strikes. So, their compliance is not consensus.

 

[Goenitz]

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@Blain2
For now, that is the wider consensus. We can agree upon that.
TTA should be punished for the crimes against Pakistani citizens. They need to be coerced in the right direction.