Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[LC150]

you made it easy for me for adding that video clip thanks.
we re in agreement on the role of the military. dont we both know what is the source pool of our army? its Pakistan isn't it? the army men are not coming from Uganda or Bolivia are they? they have the same mindset as those who still consider Osama as righteous and also consider the Mullah Abdul Rashid Ghazi of Red Mosque as Mother of nation since he put a Burka in his attempt to escape.. he was reinstated and allowed to preach again .. by same establishment. we are still debating if War on terror was our war or not while our "angry" brothers continue to block up schools, kill civilians including children and the military personnel alike.

you see, I am not a cult member and dont worship the army heads unlike the zealots of a political party members worship their leader. I call out the military/ security ledership who knowingly or unknowlingly favoured and backed these religious snakes ..

General Faiz Hamid was the final figure but it started from General Shuja Pasha when the establishment decided to groom a "tanga party " (an insult used by Noonies) into a considerable political force. Gen Faiz Hamid was a very ruthless man, for him the ends justified the means, he wanted to be the COAS and he used PTI poluist leader and his naive (I am being polite here) stance about throat slitters to his advantage.. Imran Khan will be freed soon (for sake of Pakistan) but General Faiz Hameed always escapes the PTI "scruitiny" (he baked into the PTI troll farms).. and his role in strengthening Taliban and resettling the takfiri khawarij back into Pakistan .. has nullified all our sacrifices in the past .. he wanted to be COAS with the help of Imran Khan but fate had something else in store for him.. he will never come out of prison alive for what he has done. no I wont talk about General Bajwa I would rather talk about the servant of our neighbor because he Gen Bajwa was a petty and deserved what he got when he was hackled by Afghans in Europe.

it is pretty much the same story... in 1971 the army used Bhutto as a counter balance against Rehman , and Nawaz sharif against Junijo... Khan was no different ..like wise he was used by the army too., and yes Khan was naive that is one of his weakness.

While Khan can be critiqued for his "sympathy" view of afghans (given his afghan ancestry), he never believed in intervention which is the reason for mess we currently face.


However the point I am saying this is an institutional problem and it has been for decades. Sorry I dont buy this story where do the army people come from?.. I worked in MNCs and have connection with many accomplished Pakistani origin professionals... they are performing well including Ex-airforce ... why is that.?...

this institution is a self licking ice cream...

Taanga party?.. lol Khan himself made fun of that .. but unlike unnatural titty boobs like Nawaz who was created out of Gen's Zia' arse ... Khan has natural popularity and the 2024 election settled the question once for all. You can discuss to death about his "cult" , "Army creation" etc all you like. It doesnt change the facts does it?.

the fact remains the combo of parties the army created burn from in side that Khan even today enjoys massive popularity and most of all respect of the majority of Pakistanis..

 

[LC150]

General Faiz Hamid was the final figure but it started from General Shuja Pasha when the establishment decided to groom a "tanga party " (an insult used by Noonies) into a considerable political force. Gen Faiz Hamid was a very ruthless man, for him the ends justified the means, he wanted to be the COAS and he used PTI poluist leader and his naive (I am being polite here) stance about throat slitters to his advantage.. Imran Khan will be freed soon (for sake of Pakistan) but General Faiz Hameed always escapes the PTI "scruitiny" (he baked into the PTI troll farms).. and his role in strengthening Taliban and resettling the takfiri khawarij back into Pakistan .. has nullified all our sacrifices in the past .. he wanted to be COAS with the help of Imran Khan but fate had something else in store for him.. he will never come out of prison alive for what he has done. no I wont talk about General Bajwa I would rather talk about the servant of our neighbor because he Gen Bajwa was a petty and deserved what he got when he was hackled by Afghans in Europe.

like I said it is an institutional problem... through out the decades

they are always doing one scam after another and justifying it on national security reasons.


noonies.. lol... they can only come to power by vote rigging ...PERIOD.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

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no I wont listen to her now , just like I didnt listen to her back in 2019 when PTI declared Gen Bajwa the father. just because she is a morbid Pakistan army (specially Airforce hater) doesnt qualify her to comment on Pakistan. for her every point there are thousand points against the military industrial complex and the cabal of billionares that bankroll the American politics.

 

[Master Chief]

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This is literally 99% Hindustani propaganda that you are spewing here, by a known propagandist with an axe to grind. Why even quote Christine Fair's opinion on Indo-Pak geopolitics?

She has made several factual errors, in addition to a wholly flawed conclusion.

 

[Master Chief]

Seriously un-fkin-believable mate @LC150 .

We should "seek accommodation" with Hindustan??

Are you and Christine Fair remotely cognisant of Narendra Modi's publicly stated objectives with respect to Pakistanis (military and civilian) since 2016? Were we not fully "seeking accommodation" with these jahils for decades? When persistent requests for engagement, civil discourse, and even political compromise are rebuffed with his pathetic jingoistic saffronism, we should carry on beating our heads against a wall of civilisational hate?

I don't know why I bother sometimes.

Modi says India will work to 'isolate' Pakistan internationally

“India is ready for a war but let us fight a war on poverty, unemployment and see who wins first, India or Pakistan.”

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[Irfan Baloch]

While Khan can be critiqued for his "sympathy" view of afghans (given his afghan ancestry), he never believed in intervention which is the reason for mess we currently face.



the fact remains the combo of parties the army created burn from in side that Khan even today enjoys massive popularity and most of all respect of the majority of Pakistanis..

thanks for commentary, please don't take it personally but this is my last take on this matter.

back in the days, Osama Bin laden enjoyed the approval rating of 76% among Pakistanis. that goes to show something very unflattering when it comes to judgement of the Pakistani masses.

as for non intervention mantra of Imran Khan.. well its as noble as his hug a throat slitter kharji. he has been exposed to international relations and politics right? being a UN member and signatory of UNSC resolutions after the 911 attacks.. Pakistan was obliged to support the war on terror. the misguided words and actions have consequences and cause embarrassment (recall when MBS recalled his jet back? I better stop here)

Afghanistan is like that blanket (bear) in the stream it wont let go off you no matter how charming and charismatic our beloved cricketer turned politician is. without provocation, Afghanistan opened its hostilities from the very early days of Pakistan's inception. refer to border wars with Afghanistan.

if Imran Khan is going to drive his politics on the basis of his Afghan ethnicity then I suggest he or someone on his behalf apply for Afghan nationality as suggested by his appointed leader of opposition that considers Afghanistan up to Attock city. he is the leader of entire Pakistan and should think and act beyond ethnicity.

sorry I digress. you chose to ignore the link of Pakistan military personnel with the people of Pakistan but the fact remains it comes from these same people, while its intervention in politics is indefensible but the argument of faulting its Afghan policy is weak, our former PM was mocked internationally when he was advocating for Afghanistan and going as far as helping his beloved Taliban back into Kabul also didn't earn any relief for Pakistan.. inflated with misplaced assumption of "defeating Americans".. the Afghan Taliban openly declared their bond with TTP and promised to help it conquer Pakistan.

it will be intellectually dishonest to continue to curse Pakistan military when the Afghan Taliban are seen using Israeli hardware and are openly meeting with Indian state.
f*ing them in the arse is a must .. Pakistan tried Imran's appeasement which has inflated their ego's now its time to prick them to bring them back to their senses. no need to conquer that shithole, just rescue the young boys from them so that they are only left to make love to their goats and then face the hard choice of eating them or F*king them and die out due to lack of feed.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

This is literally 99% Hindustani propaganda that you are spewing here, by a known propagandist with an axe to grind. Why even quote Christine Fair's opinion on Indo-Pak geopolitics?

She has made several factual errors, in addition to a wholly flawed conclusion.

I would rather listen to Gobar Arya than that scornful woman.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

And you still wonder why folks remain unsure about your motives on this thread.

He is an obvious sympathizer.

In what world do you think I'm a sympathiser of the Taliban of all people?

Firstly I absolutely despise the Afghans and I detest religious governance.

But you guys hate an objective piece of analysis that isn't incessantly praising Pakistan. But they've clearly been outmaneuvering Pakistan, we literally propped up this regime and now it backstabbed us while its using its limited clout to try and establish diplomatic relations around the world and centralise its control at home. It has developed pretty well-made propaganda networks and ministries and is even rejecting tons of foreign pressure to crack down on TTP.

Do you just want me to praise Pakistan like a blind **** and not point out its obvious weaknesses, do you not want to improve?

 

[Master Chief]

In what world do you think I'm a sympathiser of the Taliban of all people?

Firstly I absolutely despise the Afghans and I detest religious governance.

But you guys hate an objective piece of analysis that isn't incessantly praising Pakistan. But they've clearly been outmaneuvering Pakistan, we literally propped up this regime and now it backstabbed us while its using its limited clout to try and establish diplomatic relations around the world and centralise its control at home. It has developed pretty well-made propaganda networks and ministries and is even rejecting tons of foreign pressure to crack down on TTP.

Do you just want me to praise Pakistan like a blind **** and not point out its obvious weaknesses, do you not want to improve?

I have said several times on this and other threads that HALF truths are at least as dangerous as outright lies. I shall leave it at that so that we may all reflect and hopefully all of us may enhance our cognition on this matter.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

I have said several times on this and other threads that HALF truths are at least as dangerous as outright lies. I shall leave it at that so that we may all reflect and hopefully all of us may enhance our cognition on this matter.

I respect you bro, and you can check my post history to know that I'm not pro-Afghan or Indian in any way.

But if we don't actively introspect, identify critical weak points, and then reform, you are only asking for a disaster to take place.

I refuse to blindly just believe in divine intervention and optimism with nothing to back it up, no one is coming to save you, better people than us have been discarded in the books of history due to ignorance. There is a fine line between optimism & delusion. Don't be the latter.