Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

SteppeWolff said:
Who are "your people" and which are your "own lands"?
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My ethnicity and its lands. Pakistan is a federation, not a single nation.

My point is its not serving any one of us or our interests. It is chronically subverted and unstable as it cannot ever be on a single page nationally on important issues due to ethnic interests of many groups being too dominant.

Why should some groups have to sacrifice their native identity and lands just to maintain this facade that goes nowhere and harm themselves in the long term. A state is useless if it is not serving the larger interests of a people.

Turkey, China, etc all serve the interests of a people. Pakistan exists just to exist and the status quo is internal strife. Its only utility is defence against Hindus.

It cannot agree on anything else or what it is.
 
Hopefully Pessimistic said:
My ethnicity and its lands. Pakistan is a federation, not a single nation.

My point is its not serving any one of us or our interests. It is chronically subverted and unstable as it cannot ever be on a single page nationally on important issues due to ethnic interests of many groups being too dominant.

Why should some groups have to sacrifice their native identity and lands just to maintain this facade that goes nowhere and harm themselves in the long term. A state is useless if it is not serving the larger interests of a people.

Turkey, China, etc all serve the interests of a people. Pakistan exists just to exist and the status quo is internal strife. Its only utility is defence against Hindus.

It cannot agree on anything else or what it is.
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This type of thinking led to the events of East Pakistan and 1971. A lesson learned is to respect all Pakistanis and their lands, not just one group.
 
Watandar said:
This type of thinking led to the events of East Pakistan and 1971. A lesson learned is to respect all Pakistanis and their lands, not just one group.
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He probably has never left his basement and his views seem to be inspired by ethno-nat incels present on various social media outlets. Imagine equating your country's entire second largest ethnicity as terrorists, same ethnicity who are at the front line of war against the khwarij.

Ethnic beefs in big 2026 is really cringe.
 
Hopefully Pessimistic said:
Biggest coping mechanism of PakNuts that achieves nothing. You guys say this about everything until it reaches a tipping point and explodes.

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Mate you literally are parroting the narrative of enemies of Pakistan, who want it to fall into a civil war and disintegrate. Get well soon
 
SteppeWolff said:
He probably has never left his basement and his views seem to be inspired by ethno-nat incels present on various social media outlets. Imagine equating your country's entire second largest ethnicity as terrorists, same ethnicity who are at the front line of war against the khwarij.

Ethnic beefs in big 2026 is really cringe.
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Pakistani establishment glorified jihad for decades between 1980 and the 2000s. The target of this propaganda were primarily Pashtuns and Punjabis. Now people innocently ask why some Pashtuns and Punjabis have sympathy for jehadis ?? Lol as if the common Pakistani created this problem.
 
SteppeWolff said:
Mate you literally are parroting the narrative of enemies of Pakistan, who want it to fall into a civil war and disintegrate. Get well soon
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You are too emotional about political states that are always changing geography in our region.

I am merely putting forward the idea that why one should idolise it if it harms your own ethnic interests long term just to maintain an unstable fragile entity?

It's like a form of self harm. Being loyal to an abstract thing like a country that only extracts from you for sake of its survival.

But we can end the conversation here
 
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Watandar said:
Pakistani establishment glorified jihad for decades between 1980 and the 2000s. The target of this propaganda were primarily Pashtuns and Punjabis. Now people innocently ask why some Pashtuns and Punjabis have sympathy for jehadis ?? Lol as if the common Pakistani created this problem.
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Pakistani establishment absolutely did the heavy lifting here, no doubt. They weaponized jihad, turned it into state policy, fed it through textbooks, pulpits, media, foreign policy, and “strategic depth” fantasies for decades. They deserve the bulk of the blame.

You can take the horse to the water but you cannot make it drink it - Pakistanis love drinking that water.

Pretending this was only the establishment is also dishonest.
At some point propaganda stops being just propaganda and becomes social common sense. That’s the real issue. The rot spread far beyond GHQ or the agencies. Politicians used it, mullahs sold it, TV amplified it, drawing room uncles romanticized it, and society at large absorbed it. You can’t run an ideological project for 30 to 40 years and then act surprised when parts of the population come out thinking the jihadi is some kind of noble defender of the qaum.

This is where Pakistanis love doing intellectual fraud to justify their own cults unfortunately. They want to isolate all guilt in one building in Rawalpindi as if the rest of society was chained in a basement with no agency at all- khusray ho na saaray??!.

Imran Khan is part of that story too, by the way. People now want to act like he descended from the heavens as some pure anti establishment democrat, but for years he openly peddled soft apologism for militants, framed complex security issues in moral shortcuts, and helped sanitize dangerous ideas for the urban middle class. He did not create the problem, but he absolutely repackaged parts of it in cleaner language for people who wanted to feel principled while staying intellectually lazy.

So yes, the establishment deserves the most ire, undoubtedly. But if you only blame them, you miss how deeply this mythology was socialized. From pre partition Muslim political insecurities to Zai ul haq era Islamization to post 2000 selective denial, this country kept feeding itself the same poison and then called it ideology, patriotism, and iman(the morning after they attended the mehfil e fahash)

Now people ask with fake innocence, “why do some Pashtuns and Punjabis have sympathy for jihadis?” Because for decades they were told these people were heroes, assets, martyrs, and defenders of Islam. You do not mass produce a narrative for generations and then act shocked when it produces believers.

That is the real Pakistani farce because everyone wants to identify the arsonist in each other, but nobody wants to admit how many people kept passing him the fuel.
 
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Infiltrations are common because the border is not properly sealed.

Balochistan and FATA would not be getting hammered if they didn't border Afghanistan.

They will need to deal with all the cave complexes and underground tunnels. This will need boots on the ground. Its a travesty that Pakistan did not join these operations.

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hasssanali8998 said:
yeah apparently locals and police from bannu have formed a hunting party( aman commitee) and are now killing kharijies , 3 killed so far and they just started today , people are so tired of the state they are taking the initiative
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Being reported by Dawn too now. They tied one of the militants to a police car and paraded him around Bannu.

www.dawn.com

Bannu police kill five militants after launching operation in district

Police Peace Committee launches Operation Revenge of the Martyrs, vows complete elimination of militants in district.
www.dawn.com
 
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