Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[RealNapster]

Secondly isn't it sad that KPK has nothing to offer and did nothing besides bringing destruction and fame (for wrong reasons) to Pakistan?

It maybe. But was this your original point of argument ? You cant keep moving the goal post in hope that you will win this way. Your main argument was that people of KP are racists and not welcoming.

Resettlement of civilians is one part, pushtoons are open to people visiting the places, but not resettlement of other ethnic groups, I learn this from people who live in KPK.

Then you learned wrong. I just presented you will a the facts and figures. And all you could respond with was that people living in KP told you so. Its same as " I have black friends" argument to justify being racist. Millions of people visiting KP every year . Not a single racism incident. Only 81% pashtoon population, even capital of KP have a second language. Whole hazara region have hindko as first language. Show me one anti-nonpashtoon movement in KP. Every pashtoon can speak urdu. Majority of is travel to Punjab and sindh.

There are not traits of racists . These are traits of someone who believe in inclusiveness. Show me something concrete and then I will accept your counter argument.

we saw that in Karachi in several areas, where pushtoons targeted non Pushtoon after seeing their CNIC cards, if they are like that in Karachi one can imagine in their own strongholds.

Okay. So now you are generalizing gang wars for ethnic priorities and way of life ? When urdu speaking MQM was giving Karachi "bori-band lasshy" when they were burning hundreds of laborers in factories. Was it because urdu speakers are terrorists ?

You lost the argument bro. You dont know what you are saying. Just accept the fact that you fcukedup and made a statement that have nothing to do with reality.

Yes I do agree with him, we should do the same in Karachi too.

Asking for removal of KPians from Karachi and all of Pakistan back to KPK. Discarding their constitutional right of free movement.

Then you are the racist and anti-constitution.... you are someone who dont believe in inclusiveness. You are anti-pashtoon.

How is it being a racist and still calling other racist ? How does it feel inside your skin ?

 

[RealNapster]

KPK has a lot to offer for a lot of people who would love to move

Okay. Good. So you would like inclusiveness. Good.

I hope other provinces send back all the KPK-origin residents and politicians to KPK

Such a racist . I wonder who would agree with him . I am sure it's not @Starlord because he said KP offer alot to people of Pakistan and there should be inclusiveness. Let me ask him.

@Starlord now who is being racist ?

By the way do you agree with him ?

Yes I do agree with him, we should do the same in Karachi too.

What the hell bro. I though you believe in inclusiveness. KP offers a lot to people who would like to shift. But doesn't Karachi offer us anything as well ? ????

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

@RealNapster What is your opinion of when KP police shot innocent Hazarawal protestors? And what do you think the reason is?

Also why do you think people like Manzoor Pashteen and the movement's local reps in Karachi, etc, have such huge crowds demanding more and more territory everyday for their fantasy loy Pashtunistan till Jhelum nowadays?

Lets cut the nonesense, what I said was not racist but merely a practical solution, if you want to run ethnic politics in KP and demand the ouster of national institutions, and love affairs with the Taliban, it is the right of other provinces to secure their own interests by demanding the spill over doesn't reach outside your areas and that you don't hypocritically leech of their provinces at the same time. At least dont run ethno politics from other peoples provinces.

 

[Starlord]

It maybe. But was this your original point of argument ? You cant keep moving the goal post in hope that you will win this way. Your main argument was that people of KP are racists and not welcoming.

Not my main point but definitely part of the issue, and what makes KPK so backward and Terrorism prone.

Then you learned wrong. I just presented you will a the facts and figures. And all you could respond with was that people living in KP told you so. Its same as " I have black friends" argument to justify being racist. Millions of people visiting KP every year . Not a single racism incident. Only 81% pashtoon population, even capital of KP have a second language. Whole hazara region have hindko as first language. Show me one anti-nonpashtoon movement in KP. Every pashtoon can speak urdu. Majority of is travel to Punjab and sindh.

There are not traits of racists . These are traits of someone who believe in inclusiveness. Show me something concrete and then I will accept your counter argument.

You didn't present any FACTS lol you just post a bunch of nonsense, presenting as some sort of facts, and no the whole I was told by someone from KPK is not same I have a black friend, I bet KPK has places which are welcome to but in 75 years of Pakistan it doesn't show on ground. There are plenty of evidence of Pushtoon racism if you know where to look, there are plenty of videos available on Internet all you have to do is google or youtube, if you understand pushto, there is a whole Term "Daal-khor Punjabi" stem out of the racism not diversity lol And I grow up in Karachi, was in College/Uni between 2010-2014 when the Karachi violence was at peak, anyone who traveled around Kati Pahari area will tell you about the violence that was done after seeing people CNIC cards, again not stem from Diversity and inclusion lol
Ever talked to a Pathan? there is always a sense of Superiority in the way they talk, present themselves, as they are better and superior, now this wasn't told to me by a Friend but i grow up around people from all ethnic groups (beauty of Karachi), my best friend (Rest his soul) was a Sindh, later a Baluchi joined and we were best friends growing up.

Asking for removal of KPians from Karachi and all of Pakistan back to KPK. Discarding their constitutional right of free movement.

Then you are the racist and anti-constitution.... you are someone who dont believe in inclusiveness. You are anti-pashtoon.

How is it being a racist and still calling other racist ? How does it feel inside your skin ?

Honestly it feels awesome to be in my skin, you can call me whatever you want but talk to me when KPK has turn its fate around, you have daily violence, suicide bombings, beheadings, schools are blown up, bridges are destroyed, and so on... if Punjabi's wants to stop Pushtoons from entering then sure why not? they care about their people and the future of their children, they don't want Punjab to become KPK, KPK can do the same but problem is KPK is already blowing up, as for Karachi its a life line of Pakistan so it has to be protected, from enemies like India and other Terrorists, Afghans are getting kicked out, they find shelter among guess who? Right!!! so yeah i think State should regulate who comes to Karachi and who shouldn't.

You still doesn't get the issue, KPK hostage the entire Pakistan, they support TTP who are mainly a Pushtoon centric Terrorist organization has killed every race in Pakistan, they have done suicide attacks in Karachi, killed Chinese etc and you get all pissy when people ask the Pushtoons to stay in KPK, fix your culture and behave like civilized people and no one will have issues with you, it is as simple as that

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Now this is separate, this is exactly what happen when you point that locals are supporting Terrorism, instead of fixing anything people just start dodging the main argument, one can go back and see what I've been telling for many many months now, peace won't come to KPK and i am proven right every couple of weeks/months after, in South Asia many countries have Muslims, India has Muslims, BD is a Muslim country, Malaysia, Indonesia, but there is only certain people in our region that still doing suicide bombings and beheadings, world is racing for moon and here we have 2 states who's people still go out with AK's and attack polio workers, and then these people go back and get full shelter and support from locals, who hide them from authorities. Literally ZERO hope, hopeless people.

 

[RealNapster]

Also why do you think people like Manzoor Pashteen and the movement's local reps in Karachi, etc, have such huge crowds demanding more and more territory everyday for their fantasy loy Pashtunistan till Jhelum nowadays?

More and more land ? When did this happened ? Please educate me. Give me some links and articles stating their demands so that I can expand my understanding of PTM more.

@RealNapster What is your opinion of when KP police shot innocent Hazarawal protestors? And what do you think the reason is?

Only if people of Pakistan weren't gajni ki olaadyyy.



Now let me ask you this. Why Punjab government and rangers did crackdown on TLP and killed it's workers ? Answer this and you will have your answer.

You are confusing racism with strikes due to a political move/cause. How are both the same ?

Not my main point but definitely part of the issue, and what makes KPK so backward and Terrorism prone.

Again. Would love to discuss this someday. But I don't love you enough to keep educating you. I will just correct you on one of your misconception for today. And that is your statement regarding people of KP, calling them racists while in the same sentence demanding their expulsion from whole Pakistan towards KP.

There are plenty of evidence of Pushtoon racism if you know where to look, there are plenty of videos available on Internet

Oh. So from "a friend told me this" now we are at " I saw a video"?? Good progress.

Honestly it feels awesome to be in my skin, you can call me whatever you want but talk to me when KPK has turn its fate around, you have daily violence, suicide bombings, beheadings, schools are blown up, bridges are destroyed, and so on... if Punjabi's wants to stop Pushtoons from entering then sure why not? they care about their people and the future of their children, they don't want Punjab to become KPK, KPK can do the same but problem is KPK is already blowing up, as for Karachi its a life line of Pakistan so it has to be protected, from enemies like India and other Terrorists, Afghans are getting kicked out, they find shelter among guess who? Right!!! so yeah i think State should regulate who comes to Karachi and who shouldn't.

If you love to be a racist. Good. Enjoy. But then a racist is not allowed to call other racists just because that racist watched some videos and a friend from KP told him something.

You still doesn't get the issue, KPK hostage the entire Pakistan, they support TTP who are mainly a Pushtoon centric Terrorist organization

I thought it was Baluchistan . No ? Last I checked there is no separatist movement in KP. And even if I agree with your argument that people of KP support ttp. Still it's the people of KP that suffer terrorist attacks. So you should be good with that. Why bother ? Chill MR. racist

 

[RealNapster]

Lets cut the nonesense, what I said was not racist but merely a practical solution

Hitler also had a practical solution when he realized that economic system of his country has been hijacked by people mostly Jews.

So you always agree with these "practical solutions" ? Your practical solution is no different then Hitler's practical solution. Stripping people of KP from their constitutional right of free movement, forcing them to stay within KP boundaries sort of making it a ghetto for them. Bro are you descendent of Hitler ?

 

[Starlord]

I thought it was Baluchistan . No ? Last I checked there is no separatist movement in KP. And even if I agree with your argument that people of KP support ttp. Still it's the people of KP that suffer terrorist attacks. So you should be good with that. Why bother ? Chill MR. racist

You are right about one thing, people of KPK is dying in Terrorists attacks so why bother, honestly it doesn't bother me, its just I still hold the same position i did before and no one has proven me wrong besides calling me racists lol I will love to be proven wrong when and if KPK finally has peace which is not happening. I never said that KPK issue is separatism, idk where you get that idea from, in fact i haven't even use the word "Separatism" instead I call them Terrorists (TTP/BLA) because that's who they are, now in Baluchistan terrorism is done/supported in the name of Separatist movement while in KPK Terrorism is done & supported in the name of Islam and Ethnic superiority.

 

[RealNapster]

You are right about one thing, people of KPK is dying in Terrorists attacks so why bother, honestly it doesn't bother me,

Good. Move on.

 

[Watandar]

Good. Move on.

Just put that racist clown on your Ignore list. Imbeciles post nonsense on the interwebs everyday and are not worth your valuable time.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Hitler also had a practical solution when he realized that economic system of his country has been hijacked by people mostly Jews.

So you always agree with these "practical solutions" ? Your practical solution is no different then Hitler's practical solution. Stripping people of KP from their constitutional right of free movement, forcing them to stay within KP boundaries sort of making it a ghetto for them. Bro are you descendent of Hitler ?

LMAO.

so staying in your own province = Hitler.

Damn, the concept of borders must mean the entire world are taking after Hitler.

In my view your love for violence and claiming every land you touch and racial supremacy in everything is far closer to being Hitler. Even being in your own province is taken as an insult by you.

 

[Starlord]

LMAO.

so staying in your own province = Hitler.

Damn, the concept of borders must mean the entire world are taking after Hitler.

In my view your love for violence and claiming every land you touch and racial supremacy in everything is far closer to being Hitler. Even being in your own province is taken as an insult by you.

People will use any/every excuse to avoid accountability, its like the same thing in US, when liberals get hurt they call everyone Nazi, and when Republicans get avoid accountability they call people communists, you are wasting your time, in this forum you will see people avoid putting blame on the Literally the main factor that drive insurgency and blame BS reasons, hence you will see no changes in that entire region. Americans with their all money/resources/education/trade and military might couldn't fix that region, Pakistan is nothing.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

People will use any/every excuse to avoid accountability, its like the same thing in US, when liberals get hurt they call everyone Nazi, and when Republicans get avoid accountability they call people communists, you are wasting your time, in this forum you will see people avoid putting blame on the Literally the main factor that drive insurgency and blame BS reasons, hence you will see no changes in that entire region. Americans with their all money/resources/education/trade and military might couldn't fix that region, Pakistan is nothing.

Yeah but no one cares about being called racist in the big 2026, especially by the most racist ethnicity in the region just like Hindus

They always have an excuse lined up and I cant be bothered debating it, every day their demand is saar leave KP we pashtuns gonna solve it yadda yadda, so why get mad when you are told to go there also and not come running elsewhere?

Their own behaviour is earning them this sentiment, hypocritical, violent, Zionist mentality. My province for me, but your province for everybody. I want my cake but i want yours too!

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Yeah but no one cares about being called racist in the big 2026, especially by the most racist ethnicity in the region just like Hindus

They always have an excuse lined up and I cant be bothered debating it, every day their demand is saar leave KP we pashtuns gonna solve it yadda yadda, so why get mad when you are told to go there also and not come running elsewhere?

Their own behaviour is earning them this sentiment, hypocritical, violent, Zionist mentality. My province for me, but your province for everybody. I want my cake but i want yours too!

Last thing, to be honest with you, and this might trigger the more extreme nationalists here, but I am perfectly fine with letting them take the Pashtun belt in KP (minus Hazara & Chitral) and North Balochistan (Quetta) and make it an indepedent region or join Afghanistan.

If it is going to be an indefinite strain on our resources, people causing constant communal issues, hate/ racism, constant affair with terrorism/violence, and then bringing that hypocricy elsewhere too then it is better to cut them loose. Why keep an indefinite attachment to it forever, just for the sake of it through appeasement? It is suicidal, we are sucking ourselves dry, let it go.


@Starlord

 

[Starlord]

Yeah but no one cares about being called racist in the big 2026, especially by the most racist ethnicity in the region just like Hindus

They always have an excuse lined up and I cant be bothered debating it, every day their demand is saar leave KP we pashtuns gonna solve it yadda yadda, so why get mad when you are told to go there also and not come running elsewhere?

Their own behaviour is earning them this sentiment, hypocritical, violent, Zionist mentality. My province for me, but your province for everybody. I want my cake but i want yours too!

basically in 2026 no one gives a shit if someone is racists, Americans wants non-Americans out, UK holds anti-immigrants/Islam rallies, EU has seen rise of neo-nazi's. As long as you are not harming others you can hold any views you want, in America people hold messed up views and they live normal lives.

You see things weren't like that before, initially people sympathize with KPK for been victims of terrorism as Arabs, Tajik , Uzbeks are making large numbers of foreign terrorists who were fighting, I get it during 2008-2012 the locals didn't know better so they supported TTP and their demand of Shariah law, but after what Local Tribals went through at the hands of Terrorists one would think that the locals will absolutely hate Terrorists and will not allow anyone to support it, but here we are. 9/11 happen and to this day a large population in America see Muslims with resentment, and we see 100k deaths and we still have Tribals who thinks TTP are just warrior who are fighting for Shariah, despite murdered more Islamic scholars than anyone else. Now people are just Fed up and I don't blame them, The terrorism spills in all over Pakistan which impacts other Pakistani's, no investments, no one wants to build anything here, no one wants to come visit and those who come travel with guards, its pathetic.
Not to mention the Afghans, remember when Afghans were kicked out who were mainly in opposition ? Same issue with Baluchistan, they will cry that we don't see any development but when Govt try to build projects local and Chinese engineers get kidnaped and killed, so who will want to go there and work?

well there are some in that region who claims to be 12th lost tribe of Israel hahah might have some truth it in cause the barbarity and appetite for violence and then play victim is there.

 

[Starlord]

Last thing, to be honest with you, and this might trigger the more extreme nationalists here, but I am perfectly fine with letting them take the Pashtun belt in KP (minus Hazara & Chitral) and North Balochistan (Quetta) and make it an indepedent region or join Afghanistan.

If it is going to be an indefinite strain on our resources, people causing constant communal issues, hate/ racism, constant affair with terrorism/violence, and then bringing that hypocricy elsewhere too then it is better to cut them loose. Why keep an indefinite attachment to it forever, just for the sake of it through appeasement? It is suicidal, we are sucking ourselves dry, let it go.


@Starlord

see the issue here is that if Afghans or these regions become independent they won't stop, remember the Afghans mainly pushtoons don't respect the Durand line, and many Pakistani's support Afghans claims, a certain Politician by the name Achkzai might come to mind. I think giving them Pakistani territory will make things worse, the best solution is too keep killing the T's, take out their leaders, and so we will have some peace for few months or years, until they reproduce more and regroup and we will see rise in Terrorism, and we will all be discussing the same thing over and over again.