PA MLRS, Self Propelled and towed artillery [BM-11, Fatah-I GMLRS, Fatah-II] - News, Updates & Discussions

[Lion]

Because the only victory Pakistan achieved was in the air the army didn't do anything except from lobbing some artillery shells that actually did the most damage.

It's shame how the state uses the holy religion to psyop its citizens.

From Siachen to this.

@farooqbhai at least 18(?) unique incidents of Fatah 1 being fired (total shown is 21 but I think at least 3 are repeated videos). Also Fatah-II being used mentioned.

Also a claim of S400 destruction (though given the way these are made I wouldn’t consider any of these official claims)

 

[iron shrapnel]

These Artillery pieces were never retired in the first place for them to be brought back to service, unlike older AD guns. Yes they’ll be replaced eventually, both foreign snd local options were being considered and still are, but PAs focus is SPs (hence more SH15s).

You missed my point about the civilian casualties too, all of us had drones and missiles flying over us, I’m talking about civilian casualties and damage in IOK, they didn’t happen because we were using old guns. The point was that Pakistan makes a big deal out of Indians targeting Kashmiri civilians across the LoC, even though Pakistans own shelling did much the same in IoK. Do you think these Kashmiris will now think Pakistan is any better than India for them? Collateral damage is always expected, but one must think about their own foreign policy too, if a Pakistani ultranationalist thinks that killing Indian civilians is justified because they killed ours, does he forfeit the right to called the people in IoK Pakistanis?

I never said these artillery pieces were retired in the first place just that they are old models and need replacement because their accuracy or fire rate isn't as good.... Which could have resulted in civilian houses being hit.
Ultranationalist or not the major point is we were geared up for full scale war.. this wasn't a normal skirmish and both sides understood that. Both sides were ready to take casualties... 1st & 2nd tier Pakistani & Indian cities were targeted not just border areas... If the Kashmiris really thought that they were targeted deliberately ( which most of them don't ) then what do you suggest we do about it ? Stop targeting cantonment & bunkers close to the border because they are near civilian populated areas or risk a jet in challenged airspace for a target that could have been taken out safely & more cost effectively ?
As for crying about Indians targeting our civilian areas... We will absolutely do that.. same as they have been... Foreign policy is a hypocritical game made for devils in suits... Not some kind hearted soul as yourself...

 

[iron shrapnel]

Because the only victory Pakistan achieved was in the air the army didn't do anything except from lobbing some artillery shells that actually did the most damage.

It's shame how the state uses the holy religion to psyop its citizens.

From Siachen to this.

PAF has claimed only two sorties both were SEAD ops
What targeted the beas brahmos storage facility ?
A power plant in Punjab was hit. Who targeted that ?
All airbases were targeted with FATAH series to disrupt & discourage air ops..
There are also other many other targets in Jammu and Kashmir that were hit.. who did that ?

 

[RealNapster]

By the way are we aware of the launcher cost and rocket cost of FATAH-1 and 250 km Fatah-2 GMLRS ?

 

[Lion]

I never said these artillery pieces were retired in the first place just that they are old models and need replacement because their accuracy or fire rate isn't as good.... Which could have resulted in civilian houses being hit.
Ultranationalist or not the major point is we were geared up for full scale war.. this wasn't a normal skirmish and both sides understood that. Both sides were ready to take casualties... 1st & 2nd tier Pakistani & Indian cities were targeted not just border areas... If the Kashmiris really thought that they were targeted deliberately ( which most of them don't ) then what do you suggest we do about it ? Stop targeting cantonment & bunkers close to the border because they are near civilian populated areas or risk a jet in challenged airspace for a target that could have been taken out safely & more cost effectively ?
As for crying about Indians targeting our civilian areas... We will absolutely do that.. same as they have been... Foreign policy is a hypocritical game made for devils in suits... Not some kind hearted soul as yourself...

I understand your point about the age of the weaponry, but Again, that isn’t the reason civilian infrastructure was hit, it was hit with SH15s along with everything else, because there was not much care given for what was being hit in many instances. PA showed multiple times that it has the capability to pinpoint and hit Indian Mil posts along the LoC, over a dozen were taken out, was it really necessary to try and shell the ones within Kashmiri cities or close to population centers? We also showed in 2019 that we could deliver much heavier ordinance much closer to Indian military bases with Enough accuracy to not cause collateral damage. There are definitely alternatives present if they choose to use them.

None of what you presented is a good excuse at all for civilian causalities especially in a region and among a people you claim as your own, and this is just from the Pakistan perspective. Many Kashmiris on either side of the border are well aware that neither country really cares for the Kashmiri people and cause, it’s all a war of control over natural resources (water), narrative and image, the Pro-Pakistan sentiment is at an all time low in IOJK. They know they weren’t targeted on purpose; it’s worse, they know that we didn’t care enough to not put them in the line of fire. With all due respect the meme you shared is in very bad taste given the amount Kashmiris have directly and indirectly suffered from conflict and the loss of freedom in 70 years (on both sides of the border).

An extreme example of the same could be what Israel does in Gaza while targeting hospitals and then claiming they had “terrorists” in them. If india indiscriminately targets civilians and Pakistan takes up that issue at an international level, which Pakistan did, they must avoid doing the same for the point to stand, at least in Kashmir, even if mainland Indian cities are considered valid targets (which in my personal opinion they absolutely are given they targeted ours).

That leads me to my other point, the only civilian casualties on the Indian side were Kashmiri, What kind of a message does that send to people on either side of the border? They killed our civilians by indiscriminate attacks so we retaliated by doing only precision strikes in all of mainland India but indiscriminate shelling in IOJK resulting in multiple civilian casualties? I don’t know if that’s a fair trade at all.​

 

[falcon34]

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Amritsar?.

 

[falcon34]

Something must exist for it to be presented.

It exists.

https://x.com/Irves_Watch?t=HoB8EM4LfEGGNJKBl1plQg&s=09

This channel has scores of videos, 99% of those are F1 hits, it exists, our establishment doesn't have guts to own their own success

 

[Lion]

It exists.

https://x.com/Irves_Watch?t=HoB8EM4LfEGGNJKBl1plQg&s=09

This channel has scores of videos, 99% of those are F1 hits, it exists, our establishment doesn't have guts to own their own success

I’ve gone through every single video from this guy and several other posters and compiled nearly 200 examples on my drive to find anything concrete, there’s nothing.

Plus This guy is not reliable at all; 90% of his videos are of random smoke in the distance claiming it’s some major hit to an Indian installation even though:

1. Smoke in the distance proves nothing, it could be a successful hit, but it could just as well be a miss or an intercepted missile debris.
2. Me and some people in IOK geolocated at least 3 sites which this poster was claiming as hits to airbases or ammo dumps or other Indian military installations and none of them are hits; they’re anywhere from a few hundred meters to several kilometers away from the claimed target.
3. On several occasions this poster has reposted videos and claimed they’re now of an entirely different target being hit than what he was claiming before.


The other 10% he posted was artillery shelling or videos of Indian jets going down which is actually useful and some of them were even new to me, but that’s what we already know and have seen to be successful. As it stands there is no more than 1/2 successful F1 hits known of the 18-24 missiles fired (either from video evidence or Sat imagery) and no successful CM400 Hit of the 2-4 fired. I’m not saying there aren’t more successful hits, there very well could be, we have several Indian anchors and the military spokespeople admitting that Indian bases were hit in some capacity, but either the damage was too superficial or there just hasn’t been any good visual evidence to corroborate it (or, as some of us have been saying, F1 and CM400 missed most of their targets, why this happened, we don’t know, but I’m sure it can and has been improved).

 

[Scorpio]

One thing no video of fatch 2 fairing is available... Or i missed it out

 

[Lion]

One thing no video of fatch 2 fairing is available... Or i missed it out

There isn’t any and I still doubt it was used. It’s a massive missile, we’d have seen the impact or interception somewhere. And it would stand out as having gone much deeper inside India than anything else. The furthest we saw a missile in India was near Sirsa in Haryana, around the edge of the F1s range, but this was a video of an interception and that too of a much bigger missile than F1, and the timing of the video would suggest it was Indian SAMs targeting their own missiles (either Akash or S400 targeting another S400, possibly even Brahmos, but the former is more likely)

 

[Scorpio]

There isn’t any and I still doubt it was used. It’s a massive missile, we’d have seen the impact or interception somewhere. And it would stand out as having gone much deeper inside India than anything else. The furthest we saw a missile in India was near Sirsa in Haryana, around the edge of the F1s range, but this was a video of an interception and that too of a much bigger missile than F1, and the timing of the video would suggest it was Indian SAMs targeting their own missiles (either Akash or S400 targeting another S400, possibly even Brahmos, but the former is more likely)

Agree no info of there impact as well seen till date ..

 

[PakistaniDefender]

even though Pakistans own shelling did much the same in IoK.

That should only be done in Jammu

 

[muz]

By the way are we aware of the launcher cost and rocket cost of FATAH-1 and 250 km Fatah-2 GMLRS ?

Transport Erector Launcher is made by Taian Special Vehicle Company
while our nuclear capable ballistic missiles are mounted on TEL made by Wanshan Special Vehicle

 

[farooqbhai]

Who said SH 15s only fired along LOC?

MLRS as well? I think cause there was a video of what sounded like MLRS launch from our side.
Not talking about Fatah.

 

[sutton9999]

@farooqbhai at least 18(?) unique incidents of Fatah 1 being fired (total shown is 21 but I think at least 3 are repeated videos). Also Fatah-II being used mentioned.

Also a claim of S400 destruction (though given the way these are made I wouldn’t consider any of these official claims)

From an Indian officer at Indonesian Air Force seminar on India-Pakistan clash

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