PAF Conducts Successful Test Launch of Taimoor ALCM

[the vicious kind]

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Of course the indians are already mocking the missile

Who is going to tell them !

 

[safriz]

This does not make Beidou a satcom system. Sorry.

120 character SMS which they offer globally, should be enough to relay new coordinates to the missile, or receive the latest missile position. Just a guess.

 

[safriz]

Yeah. Someone else was also confusing Beidou for a sat system. It is a GNSS system with an extremely limited SMS system for emergency relief. Did you consider how easy it would be to spoof a text message? It is not secure.

Such systems have a civilian and a Military service.
Same as American GPS.
The civilian mode has different structure than Military grade signal.
I could be to totally wrong and assuming too much. But Pakistan is a Military grade authorized user of Beidou, and Beidou does have two way communication capability,.

 

[JamD]

120 character SMS which they offer globally, should be enough to relay new coordinates to the missile, or receive the latest missile position. Just a guess.

For the third time friend, SMS is secure link for retargeting? SATCOMs are very specific kinds of microwave links. This is kind of like saying because I can make gunpowder at home using 3 ingredients from parchoon ki dukaan, you can make MOAB because it is basically the same thing (explosive).

 

[JamD]

Such systems have a civilian and a Military service.
Same as American GPS.
The civilian mode has different structure than Military grade signal.
I could be to totally wrong and assuming too much. But Pakistan is a Military grade authorized user of Beidou, and Beidou does have two way communication capability,.

I don't want to derail the thread and deliver a lecture on SATCOM. Google is your friend.

 

[AeronautIR]

Considering F4 has >700km range, I'm guessing if it is exported it'll be downgraded? F1 and F2 for export I can understand, but exporting F4 seems too much of a security risk in my view. Too close to our strategic versions.

I am sure the export version will have some differences that will not allow any such risk.
Range of exported misile should be less than 300 km due MTCR.

 

[Ak01]

Such systems have a civilian and a Military service.
Same as American GPS.
The civilian mode has different structure than Military grade signal.
I could be to totally wrong and assuming too much. But Pakistan is a Military grade authorized user of Beidou, and Beidou does have two way communication capability,.

this allows pakistan access to PPS+SPS, whereas civillians get access to SPS. Its not as simple as you're thinking. Effectively, beidou is a GNSS and cannot be used for relaying tgt data. Leave it at that

 

[GoshtWalaPulao]

How is going to tell them !

They're actually using that photo to show off how precise brahmos is

 

[safriz]

For the third time friend, SMS is secure link for retargeting? SATCOMs are very specific kinds of microwave links. This is kind of like saying because I can make gunpowder at home using 3 ingredients from parchoon ki dukaan, you can make MOAB because it is basically the same thing (explosive).

You may be right. But you do realize that these systems have unsecured civilian signals and secure Military grade signal? May be look into this and let us know?
GPS have the same two tier signal system?
Just a possibility , not claiming anything.
Specially back in 2014, china was offering Pakistan all sorts of partnership about beidou. Pakistan must have taken something out of this for military?

Pakistan becomes first country to deploy China's BeiDou GPS network | The Express Tribune

The company claims that the GPS can provide positioning with accuracy of up to two centimeters.

tribune.com.pk

 

[safriz]

this allows pakistan access to PPS+SPS, whereas civillians get access to SPS. Its not as simple as you're thinking. Effectively, beidou is a GNSS and cannot be used for relaying tgt data. Leave it at that

In Pakistan's case its always a "Jugaarh" , as too poor to arrange anything appropriate.
But likewise it makes no sense to keep building cruise missiles of above 500km range, and having no ability of relaying target data.
But yes, lets leave it at that.

 

[JamD]

Speaking of Export, do you think the Taimoor has any export potential? Perhaps like how the SCALP is packaged with the Rafale this can be packaged with the JFT.

One more thing - we've openly exhibiting Taimoor with Mirages. PAF actively hid any pictures of Ra'ad on JF-17 leaking (for some reason) and there have been no publicly announced tests of Ra'ad/Taimoor from the JF-17 so how can GIDS sell Taimoor packaged with the JF-17. If I assume it is possible, the buyer will just say bro you have Taimoor and JF-17 in service and you don't have a single test of the two together.

Again, I think GIDS would need to develop Rasoob for export. Hand it off to Qaswa, let it develop it into a Taimoor-lite (seeker). Maybe integrate that with the JF-17 or demonstrate that only carriage tests need to be done (by maybe making the Rasoob have standard carriage characteristics like a MKxx bomb). I'm just thinking out loud as a someone trying to tap into the export market. Things need to be easy, not you buy we will develop with your money.

 

[the vicious kind]

They're actually using that photo to show off how precise brahmos is

Hitting within 50 meters is impressive for Brahmos, a missile whose turning circle is measured in zip codes. They'll say that’s a design feature, not a bug!

 

[Ibbi32]

Speaking of Export, do you think the Taimoor has any export potential? Perhaps like how the SCALP is packaged with the Rafale this can be packaged with the JFT.

A LO ALCM even if not packaged with jf-17 has lots of potential in ME i believe. Even if export restricted its basically a non western storm shadow alternate that even GCC would want. Countries like iraq and others that would otherwise not be offered similar weapons from west would also he very intrested in it

 

[Tomcats]

many actually hit the target? I guess one hit Shahbaz base? One hit a ground Radar in Sukkhur?

Kirana hills, Bholari, C2 node at Nur Khan, RYK Terminal, list is actually quite soberingly long. Although whether they were all Brahmos... dunno.

PAF was afraid of losing jets? prepares for hate lol.

Well... a lot of people said the IAF was grounded, yet during 10th May we saw Air launched munitions used extensively indicating IAF involvement. Yet PAF saw nowhere near the same level of success in engaging them on the first day.

 

[JamD]

You may be right. But you do realize that these systems have unsecured civilian signals and secure Military grade signal? May be look into this and let us know?
GPS have the same two tier signal system?
Just a possibility , not claiming anything.
Specially back in 2014, china was offering Pakistan all sorts of partnership about beidou. Pakistan must have taken something out of this for military?

Pakistan becomes first country to deploy China's BeiDou GPS network | The Express Tribune

The company claims that the GPS can provide positioning with accuracy of up to two centimeters.

tribune.com.pk

Ok but hoping for the best, amazing secret feature almost always leads to disappointment. I'd rather believe what the Chinese themselves say about Beidou. Like @Ak01 said, it is PPS for the military. Why the need to assume it is something secret and magical? If Beidou was a SATCOM system, why does China have SATCOM satellites? Sorry, my last post on this topic.