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the deal has always been on the table, the only sticking point has been n still is the method of payment.

PAF wants the payment to be made from CSF while the u.s wants cash.
 
Something is cooking for old dead deal to be revived(F16 plus A1Z1)
The question is at what (political as well as financial) price?

For Pakistan’s long term interests it would be better to have the US reinforce Pakistan’s foreign policy via a vi the Afghans, then be at cross purposes. A cooperative relationship where Pakistan is a economic conduit of minerals and not just a base for “Afghan Safari” , which won’t hurt the US as they will pull out again, but only increase the blowback for Pakistan. Trump is probably the only president that could pull off a recognition of the talibs, the talibs need to be told not to squander this opportunity, and work with Pakistan to survive.

Pakistan has paid a high price for 50 years of dealing with Afghanistan. We need to map the next 50 to grow our economy, at double digits year on year for the next 50 years, and buy the gear we need, rather than get it out of a Faustian margin.
 
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They could replace the Pumas, older Hueys, and expand the rotary fleet for utility, troop transport, and air assault. Moreover, expanding the air assault element -- both for COIN and conventional ops -- is beneficial.

Having a dedicated force that can rapidly mobilize and engage COIN/CT threats would complicate matters for non-state actors. The latter typically plan and operate on the assumption that Pakistan is a lumbering giant.

So, they create issues quickly, exploit Pakistan's slow responses, and then quickly wind down when the response comes. However, a combo of more air assault forces, drones, wheeled artillery (esp. guided rockets), etc, can close the issue-to-response gap.

While not a conventional threat per se, I would treat Afghanistan as a real state-based threat. IMO, more expanded air mobility and assault capacity is a must to deter them as they largely rely on light and rapid movement on the border.

Finally, on the eastern front, we should start to pair the PAF's Swift Retort-type ops with an Army-led air assault capability. There's a real opportunity to build a concerted combined arms capacity, perhaps as a way to show India that Pakistan can also carry out a Cold Start-type maneuver.
We can’t also forget as part of a QRF. An important element for morale for our troops and to demotivate our adversaries.

Also, I agree, Pakistan needs an offensive option; its own cold -start. If the Indians know the war will not only be on our soil or at most on the border, but possibly deeper in their territory, the deterrence could be greater, and the desire to end hostile come sooner.

Finally, with new transport helicopters, the PA could send a few to UN missions (half a dozen Hueys on a $200 million Type 071E (based on the sale price to Thailand) could give the PN good use in multinational ops in the Indian Ocean; show the flag) or international exercises, it could get more training for its operators. IMHO, the PA should have an Air assault brigade (3500 men) as part of an Airborne division (12,000 men) in the PA. Btw, a dozen PA SSG like forces could be attached to each of the 100 FC battalions could really manage coordination or air support and air assault brigade, logistics, hearing issues and needs and taking it up the chain of command quickly, so bases aren’t over run ever again (1200 men that are permanently attached to the FC battalions throughout their 20-30 years career). Specialists to be able to be the tip of the spear, that can be mobilized and used within a few hours, while the iron is hot.

Back to the F-16; modern data linked helicopters can follow up with modernized F-16s, putting forward air controllers/JTACs in the right place to maximize harm to hostile and minimizing collateral to civilians. So is the PA can get the funds to buy the helicopter and convince Trump to release the CSF for the F-16 modernization, the PA should try to get funds to buy 3000-4000 used MRAPS as excess defense articles (for probably only $200 million, which is about the same price as the same number of new Hilux pickups) for the FC, it would go a long way to rebuilding a relationship, which should me more valuable to the US and Pakistan.
 
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the deal has always been on the table, the only sticking point has been n still is the method of payment.

PAF wants the payment to be made from CSF while the u.s wants cash.
How much do you figure the amount is?
 
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US unfreezes $397 million to ensure Pakistan’s F-16 jets focus on ‘counterterrorism’

In 2019, Pakistan faced accusations of deploying U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets against India during an aerial skirmish over Kashmir

February 23, 2025

The Donald Trump administration has unfrozen $397 million for a U.S.-backed program in Pakistan aimed at ensuring U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets are used solely for “counterterrorism operations” and not against rival India, according to a list of exemptions reviewed by Reuters.

In 2019, Pakistan faced accusations of deploying U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets during an aerial skirmish over Kashmir.


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The incident raised concerns in Washington about potential violations of agreements restricting the use of U.S.-supplied military equipment to counterterrorism operations.

The Trump administration has released $5.3 billion in previously frozen foreign aid, mostly for security and counternarcotics programs, according to a list of exemptions reviewed by Reuters that included only limited humanitarian relief.

President Donald Trump ordered a 90-day pause on foreign aid shortly after taking office on January 20, halting funding for everything from programs that fight starvation and deadly diseases to providing shelters for millions of displaced people across the globe.

The freeze sparked a scramble by U.S. officials and humanitarian organizations for exemptions to keep programs going. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who has said all foreign assistance must align with Trump’s “America First” priorities, issued waivers in late January on military aid to Israel and Egypt, the top U.S. allies in the Middle East, and for life-saving humanitarian aid, including food. The waivers meant those funds should have been allowed to be spent.

Current and former U.S. officials and aid organizations, however, say few humanitarian aid waivers have been approved.

Reuters obtained a list of 243 further exceptions approved as of February 13 totaling $5.3 billion. The list provides the most comprehensive accounting of exempted funds since Trump ordered the aid freeze and reflects the White House’s desire to cut aid for programs it doesn’t consider vital to U.S. national security.

The list identifies programs that will be funded and the U.S. government office managing them.

The vast majority of released funds – more than $4.1 billion – were for programs administered by the U.S. State Department’s Bureau of Political-Military affairs, which oversees arms sales and military assistance to other countries and groups.

Other exemptions were in line with Trump’s immigration crackdown and efforts to halt the flow of illicit narcotics into the U.S., including the deadly opioid fentanyl.

Some of the released funds were for small expenditures — including $604 for Musk’s Starlink satellite internet system to run biometrics registration programs in the Darien Gap, a treacherous 60-mile route linking South and Central America used by U.S.-bound illegal migrants.

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Wow! Never saw this coming!

Assuming the $400 million is for actual capabilities rather then just end user monitoring?

Unsure what signal this sends, could be Trump and US Mil taking terror threat in Afganistan seriously again, could be a big finger to India (unlikely) or could be a way of trying to push forward an F-16V buy.

More questions then answers here
 
Wow! Never saw this coming!

Assuming the $400 million is for actual capabilities rather then just end user monitoring?

Unsure what signal this sends, could be Trump and US Mil taking terror threat in Afganistan seriously again, could be a big finger to India (unlikely) or could be a way of trying to push forward an F-16V buy.

More questions then answers here

No more F-16's. They can be easily stopped, blocked etc by another US government. Also they are now dated against fifth gen.
The money should be used for keeping them in good nick.
 

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