PAF F-16 | Discussions

[FuturePAF]

According a former PAF F-16 pilot from '80s I met, they could modify them to carry and drop nukes! So, why not these independent pods and ammos? As for controls, a wireless "controller area network" may be used....

Due to the jammer pod, they would need anti-interference (electrical interference from the jammer to the planes own electronics) modifications to protect the electronics though.

 

[MastanKhan]

Why haven't they been going to USA lately and why are many converting (Viper drivers) to the latest Chinese types (I get a bunch of their resumes)??

The Chinese postings have been more in preference than to the US....the first group of PAF J-10 pilots were mostly from the Block 52 group including the OC.

On a sidenote, Chengdu is more developed than Dallas...

Hi,

Last admin was totally anti pakistan---. This admin is different---.

One of the reason of creating Pahalgam issue by india was that supposedly pakistan is getting the BLK70's--Iraqi F16's etc ---.

Pahalgam was created to divert the issue---but little did the indians know that the F16 was done & dusted---.

I had written years ago that the JF17 BLK was far superior y=than the F16 BLK 52---.

But the 1 circle---2 circle gamers lambasted me over that---.

Till yesterday---those fools were living in the DCS world's paradise---today the JF17 BLK3 has proven that I was right all along---.

WTF was one circle and 2 circle and Notch the BVR---as if modern day BVR is stupid & dumb?

 

[Oscar]

Hi,

Last admin was totally anti pakistan---. This admin is different---.

One of the reason of creating Pahalgam issue by india was that supposedly pakistan is getting the BLK70's--Iraqi F16's etc ---.

Pahalgam was created to divert the issue---but little did the indians know that the F16 was done & dusted---.

I had written years ago that the JF17 BLK was far superior y=than the F16 BLK 52---.

But the 1 circle---2 circle gamers lambasted me over that---.

Till yesterday---those fools were living in the DCS world's paradise---today the JF17 BLK3 has proven that I was right all along---.

WTF was one circle and 2 circle and Notch the BVR---as if modern day BVR is stupid & dumb?

Pagalgam isn’t connected to that and F-16 was mentioned oddly from both sides in reference to minerals deal.

JF is not linked to block-70 or viper - viper is a case of decades of infra sitting around including a decent amount of spares. Not to mention quite a few AMraams, JDAMs and pretty effective SNIPER kit.

Nor is it more about 1 circle or 2 circle - technically the JF is slightly better in instantaneous and equal in sustained than F-16.

The issue however is power - the F-16 T/W means it can get high and fast much quicker than a JF which is great for the potential energy needed for effective BVR shots - even the PL-15 loves that. Problem is, US isn’t going to give you the D because every NRI in his cabinet including Vance’s mrs will throw a fit(because if they don’t their own “motherland” will vie for their blood and make rape threats)

So a decision that was on holding pattern was whether to upgrade the 52s and have them as EXTREMELY potent strike aircraft under the condition that SOM is enabled by LM while simultaneously ordering a small fresh batch to complete the 36 new wanted

Or

Look to sunset the oldest F-16s and find ways to keep the 52s somewhat current using other means.

F-16s are also wanted by the “establishment” on the US side because it provides an excuse to keep support and observers in Pakistan.

This is going one place

JFs capped where they are - upgraded where able or moved down the squadron food chain.

PFX potentially comes in to replace oldest lowest F-16s while more J-10s fill the gap. The remaining F-16s are slated for a mix of J-35 and eventually down the years Kaan.

 

[Pogic]

Since its quite clear that the J-10/JF-17B3 & PL-15 combo form the tip of the spear for PAF's A2A capability, what is the possibility of potentially modifying/upgrading the F-16's for SEAD/DEAD? The USAF uses their vipers for the role and it does seem to be an area in which the PAF has room to improve in. Although I don't know how willing the U.S would be to provide Pakistan with HARMs.

 

[MastanKhan]

Pagalgam isn’t connected to that and F-16 was mentioned oddly from both sides in reference to minerals deal.

JF is not linked to block-70 or viper - viper is a case of decades of infra sitting around including a decent amount of spares. Not to mention quite a few AMraams, JDAMs and pretty effective SNIPER kit.

Nor is it more about 1 circle or 2 circle - technically the JF is slightly better in instantaneous and equal in sustained than F-16.

The issue however is power - the F-16 T/W means it can get high and fast much quicker than a JF which is great for the potential energy needed for effective BVR shots - even the PL-15 loves that. Problem is, US isn’t going to give you the D because every NRI in his cabinet including Vance’s mrs will throw a fit(because if they don’t their own “motherland” will vie for their blood and make rape threats)

So a decision that was on holding pattern was whether to upgrade the 52s and have them as EXTREMELY potent strike aircraft under the condition that SOM is enabled by LM while simultaneously ordering a small fresh batch to complete the 36 new wanted

Or

Look to sunset the oldest F-16s and find ways to keep the 52s somewhat current using other means.

F-16s are also wanted by the “establishment” on the US side because it provides an excuse to keep support and observers in Pakistan.

This is going one place

JFs capped where they are - upgraded where able or moved down the squadron food chain.

PFX potentially comes in to replace oldest lowest F-16s while more J-10s fill the gap. The remaining F-16s are slated for a mix of J-35 and eventually down the years Kaan.

Hi,

Thank you.

That is one way of getting the right information.

Thank you again.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Since its quite clear that the J-10/JF-17B3 & PL-15 combo form the tip of the spear for PAF's A2A capability, what is the possibility of potentially modifying/upgrading the F-16's for SEAD/DEAD? The USAF uses their vipers for the role and it does seem to be an area in which the PAF has room to improve in. Although I don't know how willing the U.S would be to provide Pakistan with HARMs.

It would require support of new weapons/equipment from the USA, and I dont see them agreeing to that as those kinds of operations are offensive into India by their nature. That is why the F16 is conceptually a dead-end for the PAF.

 

[Yasser76]

It would require support of new weapons/equipment from the USA, and I dont see them agreeing to that as those kinds of operations are offensive into India by their nature. That is why the F16 is conceptually a dead-end for the PAF.

Agree and disagree slightly here. With trump in power things have changed and we saw after 7th May, US support to India has it's limits. Also I do not think US now considers India a serious bulwark against China.

Trump has stated he wants to trade more with Pakistan too, the single biggest purhcases from the US would be weapons.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Hi,

The F16 mafia in the Paf would like to keep them because it gives them & their families trips to the USA---.

With chinese aircraft---the trips to china---may not be most attractive posting.

Sir Jee, I suggest you take some time out and visit China. Today, China is far ahead of the U.S. in all aspects, especially big cities like Shanghai, Beijing, Chengdu, Chongqing, Tianjin, etc.
It is amazing the sort and speed of development in China year on year, while every time I've been to the U.S., it seems like the place has regressed rather than progressed.

 

[CombatCorner]

Over 40 Years of Terror installed in enemy's heart :
Griffin's over the skies of Islamabad :

 

[ghazi52]

 

[FuturePAF]

If we were to request a tailor make a SEAD/DEAD F-16 upgrade from Türkiye or the US, what kind of upgrades to our F-16 MLU and/or Block 52 should we seek? What kind of munitions are available to us from Türkiye?

The full Ozgur upgrade seems to cost $80 million per aircraft, but perhaps for $20-30 million Pakistan could get the capabilities it needs most in that role.

 

[MastanKhan]

If we were to request a tailor make a SEAD/DEAD F-16 upgrade from Türkiye or the US, what kind of upgrades to our F-16 MLU and/or Block 52 should we seek? What kind of munitions are available to us from Türkiye?

The full Ozgur upgrade seems to cost $80 million per aircraft, but perhaps for $20-30 million Pakistan could get the capabilities it needs most in that role.

Hi,

I believe that a better choice would be the J-16's---the one that put the FA-18 Growler to sleep a few months ago.

 

[FuturePAF]

Hi,

I believe that a better choice would be the J-16's---the one that put the FA-18 Growler to sleep a few months ago.

True, J-16D would be a great platform, but we have to do something with the F-16s. Considering the option of Turkish munitions, originally designed for the F-35, that could be put on the F-16, I figure it’s worth exploring a strike role for the planes. J-16D jam the radars and knock them out, while the F-16 launches munitions to take out the missile launchers and other support equipment; considering the F-16 with its relatively outdated radars would be in a secondary role.

 

[Fatman17]

F-16 Fighting Falcon News​

Pakistani F-16 downs Indian Searcher II UAV​

June 7, 2002 (by Lieven Dewitte) - Pakistani F-16 shot down 1 Indian Seeker-II UAV withan AIM-9L on June 7th. This is perhaps the first air combat engagement of a manned and unmanned aircraft.

 

[ghazi52]