Toxic
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It's less about uncle Sam and more about which assets were available where.
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It's less about uncle Sam and more about which assets were available where.
Reichmarshal
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Block 3 runs circles around the block 52...
One is 4th gen the other is 4.5 gen
Tariq Habib Afridi
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Sir, if we can built a 4.5 gen ourself than why we need to keep F-16? especially when there are many countries who are using them and we can sell them ours and on that money we can buy more J-10CE?
Reichmarshal
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Thats bs thats been spun by some.
PAF will use the f16 to the fullest of its capability and it has been proven again n again.....from the f16 sqd volunteering to do one way missions against isreal nuclear targets to the shooting down to a mig 21 n a su 30 in Indian terrority.
This current exchange the iaf was led a 4.5 gen jet and against it the f 16 would have been out gunned. PAF had a better option in the form j 10 n used it to full effect. Even the block 3 is superior to the block 52. N it shows in the PAF pecking order.
But had the conflict progressed u would have seen the f 16 in action .
Corax
Registered Member
Talking about bs, why would the PAF conduct one way mission against Israeli nuclear targets? I don't think the Vipers have the range from Pakistan to Israel.
Windjammer
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Windjammer
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Rumours are afloat that India is preparing for round 2.
India may start again in a desperate effort to try and cover the humiliation but how it end only PAF will decide :
India may start again in a desperate effort to try and cover the humiliation but how it end only PAF will decide :
Reichmarshal
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This time my hunch is that it will be navel lead with saturation attacks using drones, cm and even bm. To take out our AD/ airfields/ac etc
With loss of prestige bindia is facing around the globe it would be sooner rather then latter.
My guess from end of July to aug is the critical period.
we should coordinate with China for any such eventuality, to end this once n for all by taking kashmir.
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Fatman17
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And PAF won't.
Fatman17
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First they need a false flag incident
Reichmarshal
Trusted Member
bindia does not want a long, drawn-out war, as it does not suit them economically....
So till the end aug we will be experiencing monsoon n if the pre-monsoon/ early monsoon rains are anything to go by, then this year's monsoon season will be heavy. With all big and small rivers bursting at the seams, even small rivines are resembling rivers.
in military terms, there is no chance for any large "maneuvers" . Even infinity maneuvers would be difficult, let alone large armor/mechanized.
So an opportunity for bindia to carry out a large-scale naval/air opp.
So till the end aug we will be experiencing monsoon n if the pre-monsoon/ early monsoon rains are anything to go by, then this year's monsoon season will be heavy. With all big and small rivers bursting at the seams, even small rivines are resembling rivers.
in military terms, there is no chance for any large "maneuvers" . Even infinity maneuvers would be difficult, let alone large armor/mechanized.
So an opportunity for bindia to carry out a large-scale naval/air opp.
Pak-Warrior
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For a long time PAF Vipers were tip of the spear. That era has officially ended in 2021-22.
Today is the age of long range BVRs, HOBS missiles, AESA radars and air to ground Stand off weapons / CMs. PAF Vipers have none of those. Vipers are still a great machines only for the countries who have access to latest weapons like AIM120-D, Aim 9X and SOWs for it.
Unlike Mirages, which we could use for a long time and make a utility for them, We will not be able to do the same with Vipers. We cannot and will not be allowed to integrate our own SOWs for strike missions just like we were able to do with Mirages. Secondly, mirages were dirt cheap to operate & maintain, with full overhaul / rebuild features in-house. But for Vipers, we pay a hefty amount to the US for its maintenance & monitoring package.
Vipers served well in PAF and will continue to serve as a second tier (behind 4.5 & 5th gen fighters). Its time we should be looking beyond them and just remove any thoughts for acquiring any further of them either Iraqis or new ones. There's absolutely no long term utility for these in PAF.
Today is the age of long range BVRs, HOBS missiles, AESA radars and air to ground Stand off weapons / CMs. PAF Vipers have none of those. Vipers are still a great machines only for the countries who have access to latest weapons like AIM120-D, Aim 9X and SOWs for it.
Unlike Mirages, which we could use for a long time and make a utility for them, We will not be able to do the same with Vipers. We cannot and will not be allowed to integrate our own SOWs for strike missions just like we were able to do with Mirages. Secondly, mirages were dirt cheap to operate & maintain, with full overhaul / rebuild features in-house. But for Vipers, we pay a hefty amount to the US for its maintenance & monitoring package.
Vipers served well in PAF and will continue to serve as a second tier (behind 4.5 & 5th gen fighters). Its time we should be looking beyond them and just remove any thoughts for acquiring any further of them either Iraqis or new ones. There's absolutely no long term utility for these in PAF.
Yasser76
Elite Member
100% Agree. Pyschologically though, many on this forum and in fact in PAF, will have a hard time with this. Vipers did not just bring a certain capability (which we have surpassed), but also a change in culture in PAF, opportunities to learn different ways of doing things that were then applied to the whole air force, training opportunities with US, NATO and Turkey. There were a lot of side benefits to this machine that helped change the PAF for the better and made it more professional.
From a technical perspective you are right, It's time had now passed.
