PAF F-16 | Discussions

[Yasser76]

yes, because literally optimal use is one large display, but it is unlikely to be as critical as you're making it out to be

Can you point out where I said it is crtical?

 

[Oscar]

theres alot of gimmicks in aviation sold with marketing mumbo jumbo like this in aviation, i know because im around it daily.

Pretty mind boggling that you're struggling to grasp the fact that they're still segmented, even though they're higher resolution.

BAE's own site tells you about the 'benefits' of such a solution and they revolve around the fact that their previous displays could only do one task at a time. You could not segment them. This does not necessitate a large format display necessarily, IF it was that critical to mission success and efficiency, it would be a requirement on F-16V's, JF-17s etc, especially F-16s considering Lockheed has already done all the certification work etc for the F-21.

But hey ho, what do i know, im only around avionics my entire day!

I am not sure what you are referring to by segmentation. But the issue with UX/UI isn’t just segmentation but data presentation. The F-35 does this well because superior UX/UI depends not just on what is displayed but on how rapidly and seamlessly data is integrated, presented, and manipulated to support fast, informed decisions under stress.

 

[Fatman17]

Off topic, but Polish Tiger Demo Team F-16 crashed today, apparently doing the same Split-S maneuver which took the life of WC Nauman Akram Shaheed. Both Crashes look very identical to me

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Please repost it in appropriate section. Thanks

 

[ThrustVector998]

Please repost it in appropriate section. Thanks

I didn't know to create a new thread for this, will do so from now onwards

 

[Fatman17]

I didn't know to create a new thread for this, will do so from now onwards

Ok thanks for your support

 

[RajaBaja]

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USAF, USN, Israelis, Turkiye and Pakistan airforce do these types of terrain friendly training and build tactics for decades. The Indian airforce does these limited. In a twist of operational capability and the pressure being exerted on the IAF, it has brought in Israeli trainers and they are doing a month long exercises in the Kashmir and Ladakh region on the same principles like the PAF and what we did in May.

So they are covering their training and operational gaps quickly.

 

[Yasser76]

USAF, USN, Israelis, Turkiye and Pakistan airforce do these types of terrain friendly training and build tactics for decades. The Indian airforce does these limited. In a twist of operational capability and the pressure being exerted on the IAF, it has brought in Israeli trainers and they are doing a month long exercises in the Kashmir and Ladakh region on the same principles like the PAF and what we did in May.

So they are covering their training and operational gaps quickly.

You mean someone external has to show these clowns how to fly low?

Also, how does this work considering the fact

1) Israelis doing mostly medium/high altitude work against Gaza/Iran?
2) Israelis and Indians fly completely different equipment?

 

[RajaBaja]

You mean someone external has to show these clowns how to fly low?

Also, how does this work considering the fact

1) Israelis doing mostly medium/high altitude work against Gaza/Iran?
2) Israelis and Indians fly completely different equipment?

Kindly re-read my post above. You will find answers in it.

 

[Yasser76]

Kindly re-read my post above. You will find answers in it.

I can read, thanks for being unable to answer my questions though.

 

[Ali_Baba]

USAF, USN, Israelis, Turkiye and Pakistan airforce do these types of terrain friendly training and build tactics for decades. The Indian airforce does these limited. In a twist of operational capability and the pressure being exerted on the IAF, it has brought in Israeli trainers and they are doing a month long exercises in the Kashmir and Ladakh region on the same principles like the PAF and what we did in May.

So they are covering their training and operational gaps quickly.

The training that India is doing, wont make much of a difference. They have a technical disadvantage that they cannot over come in the near term (PL15) and tactical deficiencies that were highlighted in the recent conflict will take years to fix, not weeks.

PAF has some issues to address as well(needs more J10CE airframes asap) and more AD but PAFs issues are quantitative, not qualitative or operational, so needs money to solve and a little time, but not as much as India's.

 

[studsmart]

The training that India is doing, wont make much of a difference. They have a technical disadvantage that they cannot over come in the near term (PL15) and tactical deficiencies that were highlighted in the recent conflict will take years to fix, not weeks.

PAF has some issues to address as well(needs more J10CE airframes asap) and more AD but PAFs issues are quantitative, not qualitative or operational, so needs money to solve and a little time, but not as much as India's.

in those years PAF will move to 5th gen fighter, advance AEWCS, better air defense missiles, near LO drones, and UCAV insha ALLAH

 

[rafale]

USAF, USN, Israelis, Turkiye and Pakistan airforce do these types of terrain friendly training and build tactics for decades. The Indian airforce does these limited. In a twist of operational capability and the pressure being exerted on the IAF, it has brought in Israeli trainers and they are doing a month long exercises in the Kashmir and Ladakh region on the same principles like the PAF and what we did in May.

So they are covering their training and operational gaps quickly.

Israel has no where near the terrain or topography which exists in India/Pakistan.

The golan and lebanese mountains are nothing in front of the terrain in Kashmir region.

So i wonder what real value their training will do with Indians........Israelis will pretty much show up everywhere where there is money, they will milk Indians just like French did, with their fancy brochures and tactics.

Israel has never faced a peer Air force or military. Anyway, Yes Indians are working on filling their gaps......but so is PAF.

 

[Yasser76]

Pakistan F-16 sustainment contract - 29th Aug 2025

Sumaria Systems LLC, Peabody, Massachusetts, was awarded a $43,197,044 cost-plus-fixed-fee and cost-reimbursement contract. This contract provides the F-16 program office with a broad range of professional acquisition, engineering, scientific, research, test, intelligence, security management, and administrative capabilities to execute effective and responsive cyber resiliency for research, development, and life cycle acquisition and sustainment performance-based service activities. Work will be performed at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio; Hill AFB, Utah; Davis Monthan AFB, Arizona; Eglin AFB, Florida; and Tyndall AFB, Florida, and is expected to be completed by Jan. 31, 2026. This contract involves Foreign Military sales to Pakistan, Iraq, Oman, Morocco, Korea, Bahrain, Taiwan, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Taiwan, Singapore, Greece, Jordan, Indonesia, Chile, Argentina, and Türkiye. This contract was a sole source acquisition. Fiscal 2025 research, development, test and evaluation funds in the amount of $43,000,000 are being obligated at time of award. The Air Force Life Cycle Management Center, Wright Patterson AFB, Ohio, is the contracting activity (FA8622-25-C-B001).

https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/4290468/

 

[maxpane]

Pakistan F-16 sustainment contract - 29th Aug 2025

Sumaria Systems LLC, Peabody, Massachusetts, was awarded a $43,197,044 cost-plus-fixed-fee and cost-reimbursement contract. This contract provides the F-16 program office with a broad range of professional acquisition, engineering, scientific, research, test, intelligence, security management, and administrative capabilities to execute effective and responsive cyber resiliency for research, development, and life cycle acquisition and sustainment performance-based service activities. Work will be performed at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio; Hill AFB, Utah; Davis Monthan AFB, Arizona; Eglin AFB, Florida; and Tyndall AFB, Florida, and is expected to be completed by Jan. 31, 2026. This contract involves Foreign Military sales to Pakistan, Iraq, Oman, Morocco, Korea, Bahrain, Taiwan, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Taiwan, Singapore, Greece, Jordan, Indonesia, Chile, Argentina, and Türkiye. This contract was a sole source acquisition. Fiscal 2025 research, development, test and evaluation funds in the amount of $43,000,000 are being obligated at time of award. The Air Force Life Cycle Management Center, Wright Patterson AFB, Ohio, is the contracting activity (FA8622-25-C-B001).

https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/4290468/

brother can you explain in simple words for layman like me, what does it means?

 

[Yasser76]

brother can you explain in simple words for layman like me, what does it means?

From my understanding, simple routine requirements for PAF to help in keeping F-16s servicing up to date. Manuals, new techniques, security, new software etc All main support/engineering functions..

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