PAF Future Acquisition Plans

[baqai]

@ZSBD @Michael @LX1111 please save us from the hassle of using google translate and post in English, Thank You!

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[PakAl]

Pakistanis are way to optimistic on Turkeys fighter jet engine program. From what I read in articles how will Turkey build a 35000lb engine when it can’t even test 6000LB engine combustion? Currently, it is impossible to develop a 35,000-pound engine without buying engine technology like you say? Whose going to sell them their engine technology? J35 fills all of PAF requirements. Why are Pakistanis showing interest in KAAN jet for totally bizarre .

Turkey has so far disappointed none, they are building good quality corvettes, frigates, destroyer is being built, submarine in a few years, air to air missiles, SAMs, anti ship missiles, torpedos, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, drones, different size helicopters, 5th generation plane with 3rd prototype, Tf6000 built, tf10000 in a few years time, and tf35000 no doubt is a big jump but around 2035 can be possible. People compare it to China but they're were under military sanctions by the west and Usa, so they had low access to modern technologies, Turkey is not under sanctions. Tf3500 was announced in 2025 but Turkey was already working on it for many years, the design, gaining critical technology etc.

If Pakistan needs Kaan they will buy it after 2040s.

 

[puttputt]

Turkey has so far disappointed none, they are building good quality corvettes, frigates, destroyer is being built, submarine in a few years, air to air missiles, SAMs, anti ship missiles, torpedos, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, drones, different size helicopters, 5th generation plane with 3rd prototype, Tf6000 built, tf10000 in a few years time, and tf35000 no doubt is a big jump but around 2035 can be possible. People compare it to China but they're were under military sanctions by the west and Usa, so they had low access to modern technologies, Turkey is not under sanctions. Tf3500 was announced in 2025 but Turkey was already working on it for many years, the design, gaining critical technology etc.

China was under military sanctions, but through the 1980s, 1990s, and even 2000s, it was still benefitting from commercially available upstream inputs, like CNCs, instrumentation equipment, and, not least, foreign investment from the US and EU. Many of that FDI came with (due to Chinese gov't policy) know-how transfers (read the book on Apple in China). All that stuff absolutely, 100%, helped them with developing their military technology, at least on the industrial side but, eventually, R&D as well.

So, yeah, the Chinese benefitted quite a bit from the international trading system, more so than Pakistan in many, many respects -- and definitely no less than Turkiye is right now.

 

[ety]

read your military development history than talk shit, your rise were started in mid to late 90s before that you always copied Soviet/Russian military products, your PLAAF still have fighter/transport and tankers aircraft (80 to 85%) based on Russian design, and same goes to PLA/PLAN

Wake up from keep sleeping under.

Are 80% to 85% current Chinese PLAAF, PLAN and PLA military tech based on soviet/Russian tech ? Google AI answer


The claim that 80% to 85% of current Chinese military technology is based on Soviet or Russian designs is historically accurate regarding its foundations, but highly inaccurate regarding current front-line capabilities.

While the roots of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), Air Force (PLAAF), and Navy (PLAN) are undeniably Soviet, China's massive domestic modernization push over the past two decades has decoupled its modern tech from Russia. Today, Russia actually relies heavily on Chinese dual-use components and manufacturing tech.

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Summary of Tech Heritage vs. Reality

Military Branch / Component	Soviet/Russian Influence	Modern Status
Old Reserves & Legacy Fleets	Heavy (~80-90%)	Being rapidly phased out or assigned to secondary roles.
Aerospace & Avionics	Moderate (Frameworks)	Domestically designed AESA radars, stealth, and digital cockpits.
Jet Propulsion (Engines)	High (Historically)	Transitioning to domestic WS-series engines.
Naval Surface Fleets	Low (Hulls only)	World-class indigenous shipbuilding.
AI, Drones, & Cyber War	None	Fully independent and globally leading.

If you are looking at the historical ancestry of the blueprints, the 80% figure is a reasonable approximation of how the platforms started. But if you evaluate the current components, software, metallurgy, and electronics inside frontline Chinese assets today, the reliance on Russian tech is well below 20%. [1]

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Calm down. You don't want to waste time checking. Just like I don't want to waste time dealing with stupidity.

Control your emotions.

control your emotion kid because you have no answer for me kid, now tell me which engine you developed for your J-5/J-6/J-7 from scratch (brand new, not based on any previous Soviet engines) in 60s your all WP series of turbojets for your J-5/J-6/J-7 are copies of RD/R series of turbojets developed by Kilmokiv engine design company of Soviet Union

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Wake up from keep sleeping under.

Are 80% to 85% current Chinese PLAAF, PLAN and PLA military tech based on soviet/Russian tech ? Google AI answer


The claim that 80% to 85% of current Chinese military technology is based on Soviet or Russian designs is historically accurate regarding its foundations, but highly inaccurate regarding current front-line capabilities.

While the roots of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), Air Force (PLAAF), and Navy (PLAN) are undeniably Soviet, China's massive domestic modernization push over the past two decades has decoupled its modern tech from Russia. Today, Russia actually relies heavily on Chinese dual-use components and manufacturing tech.

...

Summary of Tech Heritage vs. Reality

Military Branch / Component	Soviet/Russian Influence	Modern Status
Old Reserves & Legacy Fleets	Heavy (~80-90%)	Being rapidly phased out or assigned to secondary roles.
Aerospace & Avionics	Moderate (Frameworks)	Domestically designed AESA radars, stealth, and digital cockpits.
Jet Propulsion (Engines)	High (Historically)	Transitioning to domestic WS-series engines.
Naval Surface Fleets	Low (Hulls only)	World-class indigenous shipbuilding.
AI, Drones, & Cyber War	None	Fully independent and globally leading.

If you are looking at the historical ancestry of the blueprints, the 80% figure is a reasonable approximation of how the platforms started. But if you evaluate the current components, software, metallurgy, and electronics inside frontline Chinese assets today, the reliance on Russian tech is well below 20%. [1]

Only internal radar/avionics/ew are changed, air frame designs remains almost same

 

[ety]

Only internal radar/avionics/ew are changed, air frame designs remains almost same

Some, AI says moderate. All new models frames such as JH-7, J 10, J 20, J 35, J 36, J 50, Z-10, Z-19, Z-20 and Y-20 are Chinese designs.

 

[KingQamaR]

Turkey has so far disappointed none, they are building good quality corvettes, frigates, destroyer is being built, submarine in a few years, air to air missiles, SAMs, anti ship missiles, torpedos, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, drones, different size helicopters, 5th generation plane with 3rd prototype, Tf6000 built, tf10000 in a few years time, and tf35000 no doubt is a big jump but around 2035 can be possible. People compare it to China but they're were under military sanctions by the west and Usa, so they had low access to modern technologies, Turkey is not under sanctions. Tf3500 was announced in 2025 but Turkey was already working on it for many years, the design, gaining critical technology etc.

If Pakistan needs Kaan they will buy it after 2040s.

Bro and you and to many Pakistanis are to optimistic ?
You design the whole plane around the engine.
If you use a new engine, you have to redesign the KAAN so much that it's not the same plane.
OR you can design an engine around the plane, which Rolls Royce offered to do for TAF. But the deal didn't work because unrealistic Turkish government demanded full tech transfers.
1 mean, WTH? Who is going to full tech transfer rights worth hundreds of billions of dollars.
TAF is going have to redesign the
KAAN from the ground up around a new, worse engine.
Unless Turkey wants Pakistanis to steal WS Engine technology from China . Beijing is still annoyed about silly Pakistanis gave the source code of JF-17 to Turkey.

 

[PakAl]

Bro and you and to many Pakistanis are to optimistic ?
You design the whole plane around the engine.
If you use a new engine, you have to redesign the KAAN so much that it's not the same plane.
OR you can design an engine around the plane, which Rolls Royce offered to do for TAF. But the deal didn't work because unrealistic Turkish government demanded full tech transfers.
1 mean, WTH? Who is going to full tech transfer rights worth hundreds of billions of dollars.
TAF is going have to redesign the
KAAN from the ground up around a new, worse engine.
Unless Turkey wants Pakistanis to steal WS Engine technology from China . Beijing is still annoyed about silly Pakistanis gave the source code of JF-17 to Turkey.

Turkish engineers are not incompetent, that they're building Kaan without the engine in their mind, current Kaan will already be compatible with the Tf3500 engine.

 

[royalharris]

Turkish engineers are not incompetent, that they're building Kaan without the engine in their mind, current Kaan will already be compatible with the Tf3500 engine.

Where is TF35000?
Do phrases like “is expected to,” “is going to,” or “plan to” really mean anything? You can project it for next year, or you can project it for a hundred years from now—who knows which one is correct?

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Some, AI says moderate. All new models frames such as JH-7, J 10, J 20, J 35, J 36, J 50, Z-10, Z-19, Z-20 and Y-20 are Chinese designs.

only JH-7/J-36/J-50 and Z-19 are Chinese designs, rest of the designs are based on foreign designs J-10 (inspired by Israeli cancelled LAVI project, i doesn't matter what is chief designer of J-10 says that J-10 have a roots from your cancelled J-9 project which resembles Swedish JAS-37 Viggon rather than early J-10A and J-10S which most resembles LAVI and Typhoon rather than J-9 aka JAS -37)

J-20 inspired by cancelled Soviet/Russian MIG 1.44 with modification of stealth and with different intake setting with DSI

And J-35 is clearly based on F-35 designs (with more flat/angled fuselage compare to F-35 more rounded fuselage) but optimized for air superiority rather for strike and CAS role which is the main mission for F-35

And Z-10 is clearly based on Eurocopter A-129 Tiger, There were alleged rumors that some EU companies helped China to develop transmission system for Z-10, Early prototypes of Z-10 were also use Canadian turboshaft engines

Z-20 is also based on US S-70 (with modifications) that USA provided to China in 80s

Y-20 uses the elements from C-17 and IL-76

I'm not saying that you're not progressing at all, but saying that you're doing step by step which right thing to do

 

[ety]

only JH-7/J-36/J-50 and Z-19 are Chinese designs, rest of the designs are based on foreign designs J-10 (inspired by Israeli cancelled LAVI project, i doesn't matter what is chief designer of J-10 says that J-10 have a roots from your cancelled J-9 project which resembles Swedish JAS-37 Viggon rather than early J-10A and J-10S which most resembles LAVI and Typhoon rather than J-9 aka JAS -37)

J-20 inspired by cancelled Soviet/Russian MIG 1.44 with modification of stealth and with different intake setting with DSI

And J-35 is clearly based on F-35 designs (with more flat/angled fuselage compare to F-35 more rounded fuselage) but optimized for air superiority rather for strike and CAS role which is the main mission for F-35

And Z-10 is clearly based on Eurocopter A-129 Tiger, There were alleged rumors that some EU companies helped China to develop transmission system for Z-10, Early prototypes of Z-10 were also use Canadian turboshaft engines

Z-20 is also based on US S-70 (with modifications) that USA provided to China in 80s

Y-20 uses the elements from C-17 and IL-76

I'm not saying that you're not progressing at all, but saying that you're doing step by step which right thing to do

You are talking of rubberish nonsense. They are fully Chinese designed, Stop trying to tag all Chinese tech with your Western or Russian daddys, it's a disgrace like what Indians like to say. If that easy, why don't you people go develop your aerospace industry by just copying or designing your aircrafts from some photos say F 22 and F 35, lol.

 

[CSAW]

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[clutch]

Pakistanis are way to optimistic on Turkeys fighter jet engine program. From what I read in articles how will Turkey build a 35000lb engine when it can’t even test 6000LB engine combustion? Currently, it is impossible to develop a 35,000-pound engine without buying engine technology like you say? Whose going to sell them their engine technology? J35 fills all of PAF requirements. Why are Pakistanis showing interest in KAAN jet for totally bizarre .

Bait and switch....

 

[ziaulislam]

Stop trolling again, I'm not triggered at at all But I'm talking facts about your country's military development history ,may be you're just fan boy enthusiast who don't know damn about military tech and its history

and there is no doubt Pakistan will get J-35 much earlier than Turkish KAAN

I'm triggered because you're bullshitting China is developing engines FROM SCRATCH SINCE 60s without giving any proofs that which engine made by China FROM SCRATCH in 60s

Yes they are manufacturing engines from scratch since the Soviet handed over them the mig19/21 designs in 1960-1970s . Pakistan even bought those in early 1980s and 1990s

I am pretty much sure everyone knows this