PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[FuturePAF]

Only 4 countries operate the S-400. Two of them are Turkey and China. Would be amazed if PAF does not know the system inside out already

It’s not about knowing, but about testing. And not just one system, but a series of smaller systems and various tactics: Self protection jammers, standoff jammers, towed decoys, expendable decoys, drones that fly alongside acting as decoys (like the Mald-J).

Finding the right mix and match to optimize attack profiles, by flying them at different radar and Sam battery configurations. Not just the S-400 solo, but as part of layers of air defenses and sensors.

 

[Michael]

I remember that the JH-7 production line has been discontinued for nearly 10 years.

The JH-7 series fighter-bombers are an older platform. They have always been produced using traditional methods, rather than modern advanced production methods. Consequently, their production has been slow for a long time.
The JH-7AII is its latest model, featuring numerous improvements. It remains in service with the PLA.

The CATIC official website features promotional materials for four fighter jets:
JF-17/J-10CE/JH-7E/AMF (FC-31/J-35)
In recent years, CATIC has displayed the JH-7E at various international air shows.

It has a maximum bomb load of 9 tons, a maximum takeoff weight of 28.5 tons, a combat radius of 1,600 kilometers, and a top speed of Mach 1.75—all excellent performance for a medium-sized fighter.

However, its avionics (including radar) performance is relatively poor. China is replacing it with the J-16 series fighter jets. Therefore, its avionics system will not be upgraded. However, if a foreign customer purchases it, its avionics system can certainly be upgraded.

 

[Bilal]

Not exactly but the issue also is PAF’s needs to strike in depth. You’re not risking the global 6000 crossing in depth - however that doesn’t necessarily mean an escort jammer and just decently powerful pods will do as well.

Does the need arise given the stand-off weapons give quite deep strike capabilities within the protection envelope of SOJ?

Anything deeper can/would be engaged ground based long ranged weapons. It seems neither side has the appetite for the risk of crossing into the other side’s territory and potentially hand over a war trophy.

 

[Yasser76]

It’s not about knowing, but about testing. And not just one system, but a series of smaller systems and various tactics: Self protection jammers, standoff jammers, towed decoys, expendable decoys, drones that fly alongside acting as decoys (like the Mald-J).

Finding the right mix and match to optimize attack profiles, by flying them at different radar and Sam battery configurations. Not just the S-400 solo, but as part of layers of air defenses and sensors.

Of course, but getting technical inputs from allies on the S-400 would have helped in the above effort you mentioned no?

 

[ThoroughPro]

You seem to have forgotten.
Why is the JF-17 fighter jet called “JF-17”?

JF17 = 1 higher than F16

 

[Oscar]

Does the need arise given the stand-off weapons give quite deep strike capabilities within the protection envelope of SOJ?

Anything deeper can/would be engaged ground based long ranged weapons. It seems neither side has the appetite for the risk of crossing into the other side’s territory and potentially hand over a war trophy.

For IAF there definitely is No need to cross unless they have completely established air dominance over the airspace.

PAF still will need to to get to certain targets but at least they have demonstrated they can do so.

 

[Deino]

Perhaps this system can be installed on the JH-7 and sold. After all, as an electronic warfare aircraft, it does not need too strong flight performance.
The JH-7 is indeed capable of carrying the same type of electronic warfare pod as the J-16D
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But These Are not the Same pods

 

[Corax]

Oh please, don't mention JH7, it's only a matter of time until Mastan Khan writes endless posts about how right he was and other nonsense. Speaking of which, where is that fella, haven't seen him for a while.

 

[headshot]

Yup, add that to the lift of stuff like

"Pak Marines should be like USMC"

"Pak Army should have an airborne brigade"

"PAF should have C-17s"

Stuff like that looks cool online and in magazines and because US or others adopt it we must.

Regarding the C-17 even the Indians haven't used them to their full potential there was a report on it few years ago that 70% of time their C-17s were flying with cargo about 30-40% of their max capacity.

 

[Windjammer]

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[RajaBaja]

It’s not either or, but both. The Havasoj is definitely needed, for area ops, but when aircraft need to go on offensive ops, having a couple of dedicated EW fighters alongside a package of 6-8 strike platforms could be decisive to survival and mission success.

Fighter based Jammers are needed when you have to leave an area for long distance missions, outside of ground coverage, especially in Blue Water navy or cross country distant ops.

Here, our short distance and depth, that's usually considered our short coming, becomes our strength. We have an in flight jammer that can provide more powerful jamming than a fighter jet could due to less engine power. Then, our Hawa jammers are supplemented by ground based jammers that are long range and run on much higher power than any jet can produce.

Thus, they can push out much higher output deep into Indian territory. So we are more than covered here. Our attack profile isn't more than 200 kilometers inside Indian airspace if that ever happens. With 5 layers of redundant S-400 and S-500, that may never happen and wars really become standoff.

For our scenario, having dedicated Jammers becomes a "fancy thing" than really needed.

 

[RajaBaja]

Oh please, don't mention JH7, it's only a matter of time until Mastan Khan writes endless posts about how right he was and other nonsense. Speaking of which, where is that fella, haven't seen him for a while.

I guess he's upset with the management of this side. I was also wondering. Good fella!

 

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We would hardly see the SD-10s when they were inducted, now soon after getting J-10s we have 12 Pl-15s in one frame. Taraqi tho hui hai.

 

[Windjammer]

We would hardly see the SD-10s when they were inducted, now soon after getting J-10s we have 12 Pl-15s in one frame. Taraqi tho hui hai.

Jo jeeta woh Sikander !

 

[maxpane]

Jo jeeta woh Sikander !

jo hara wo operation bander