PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

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[flyingorca]

Chinese children's comments on the J-10C!

Interviewer: Do you know what the J-10C is used for?​

Children: Smoke show.​

I wonder if the IAF fighter pilots are satisfied with this answer...

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Actually they are not wrong, smoke show as in air show and India should be more worried about J15 J16 J35 J20.

 

[RajaBaja]

I assume this question is specifically about NASTP. Well NASTP is having such a hard time because:
a) it is envisioned mostly as a real-estate project: the focus is on complexes of buildings that will eventually house private companies.
Of course, the flaws with this are 1) who santioned the use of public funds for real-estate projects, and 2) its foolish to expect private companies to populate NASTP when Pakistan is so anti-business (and ironically pro-real estate)
b) Even if NASTP was a perfect organization, it is new. SPD orgs have decades of experience over NASTP and NASTP is trying to reinvent the wheel.
c) The people there mostly have no idea how to do large, serious, aerospace projects since they are PAF babus who've spent their lives doing MRO. There is a massive brain drain in Pakistan since Pakistan is such a hostile place for any smart person to live in so the new hires are mostly inexperienced engineers taught by the MRO babus again. Ask anyone and see how droves of SPD engineers (people who have the only experience in Pakistan) have left SPD orgs to go abroad - mostly ME.

Why is the reality different in NASTP vs. this post? Yes, agreed that so far the PAF's leadership is running NASTP. But it's also false to say that these are MRO guys without any direction. The projects there being run inside NASTP include Turkish and Pakistani joint ventures including stuff for KAAN and many other things. I can't name things here.

As always, "stories" but NO data and facts!

What's sad to see is, that political narratives are linked to critical military industry like this post does also. Even the talented people that I personally had plenty of respect for, don't stop at adding their political flavor to make things look bad than they really are.

For example, the linking of "NASTP with real estate", this reference a common reader might now understand, but it links with the concept highly politicized through DHA, etc, and that the military is deeply involved in real estate business. Just to make something look bad.

When we start making such tall claims that "thousands of engineers have left NASTP" "it's doomed", "MRO guys are running the show"........ these are political sensational tactics and stories.

What I would like to see is, instead of using false "brain drain" stories, provide FACTS and Data. We say often in meetings "NUMBERS DON'T LIE"!

So kindly share NUMBERS, for example: on project A,B,C, 95 out of 100 engineer left, since that day, the project has suffered a loss of $ 100 million and 0 progress in X amount of time because they can't find suitable talent. This tells me a DATA based factual analysis of, YES, there is a situation. Otherwise if 20 people left and they got 20 more and had a slight delay due to training, that's everywhere. Happens even in places like LM's Skunkworks too.

 

[RealNapster]

What they are posting today, I've been saying for two months now. You don't have to trust anything if you don't want to. Just remember my message from above and 2028 being the year of our official rise.

Well there way a guy named @bharwana on old pdf, there was another emirate guy with if name @Khafee.

Pdf members haven't forgot them. We all remember that there is always a messiah on pdf promising more than what MNS promises. So please don't misunderstand me. It's not like we don't want to accept what you saying. It's just that we can't. Because

1. It doesn't make any sense. They already signed deal with Turkey for 5G fighter. And they can purchase J-35 easily from china. So why would it go to the length of making new one ? That too, with Pakistan who can't even manufacture JF-17 independently.

2. 2028 is too far away and I am 90% certain you or me won't be around (on pdf) by then.

It is what it is.

 

[Unknown987]

Egyptian and Jordanian AF should fly regular EW surveillance planes around Israeli borders and the Iraqi and Saudis too should implement a thorough air surveillance regularly.Meanwhile Turkey should should also keep an eye on the situation using high altitude drones.
Iraq should mobilise a plan with the Saudis and Egyptian-PAF a batch of fighters to the furtherest north of Saudi border Iraq should get the Chinese AD missiles somewhere in Iraq close to Iran. The idea is to have advanced early warning systems and multiple radar stations and communications with Chinese satellites to deter any possible attack on any Arab territory.

 

[JamD]

Why is the reality different in NASTP vs. this post? Yes, agreed that so far the PAF's leadership is running NASTP. But it's also false to say that these are MRO guys without any direction. The projects there being run inside NASTP include Turkish and Pakistani joint ventures including stuff for KAAN and many other things. I can't name things here.

As always, "stories" but NO data and facts!

What's sad to see is, that political narratives are linked to critical military industry like this post does also. Even the talented people that I personally had plenty of respect for, don't stop at adding their political flavor to make things look bad than they really are.

For example, the linking of "NASTP with real estate", this reference a common reader might now understand, but it links with the concept highly politicized through DHA, etc, and that the military is deeply involved in real estate business. Just to make something look bad.

When we start making such tall claims that "thousands of engineers have left NASTP" "it's doomed", "MRO guys are running the show"........ these are political sensational tactics and stories.

What I would like to see is, instead of using false "brain drain" stories, provide FACTS and Data. We say often in meetings "NUMBERS DON'T LIE"!

So kindly share NUMBERS, for example: on project A,B,C, 95 out of 100 engineer left, since that day, the project has suffered a loss of $ 100 million and 0 progress in X amount of time because they can't find suitable talent. This tells me a DATA based factual analysis of, YES, there is a situation. Otherwise if 20 people left and they got 20 more and had a slight delay due to training, that's everywhere. Happens even in places like LM's Skunkworks too.

Apologies but im not going to engage with your technical point because of what I will say instead.

Look my friend. You don't know who you're talking to on a forum. And you could be Zardari. But you could also be entirely embarrassed if you met me and had all this to say about NASTP and KAAN, especially. It is quite stupid to ask for facts and numbers on a forum - nobody's is going to post classified company and organization data here just to win an argument with the great RajaBaja. This isn't war thunder forums lol. So when I see a poster resorting to this argument in every single post I know for a fact that they are either immature or a troll. Either way, they cannot be reasoned with. They are arguing to be right, not to get to the truth or learn. Fortunately, members on this forum that are here for actual learning also realize this and know how to discern between genuine posters and people that are either posting quite immaturely or being trolls. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are just immature and not a troll. With that being said, there is no point in me engaging with you as nothing of value will come of it - of value to the serious members of this forum. So for now, welcome to my ignore list. Because I like to learn on this forum and not have it be polluted with 100s of nonsense contrarian posts everyday. Call me selfish.

 

[hasssanali8998]

a. That was funny as f#*k.
b. It could almost be taken as a reference from the classic movie 'Snatch'.

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my all-time favorite genre of films , British crime movies inspired by guy Ritchie

 

[hasssanali8998]

Pakistan gonna build its own stealth jet!

Yet, Pakistan cannot produce:
engines
radars(reliably)
aerospace grade aluminium/steel/titanium or composites
avionics
flight control systems
mission computers
actuators needed
RAM
optical equiptment
datalinks required
and basically anything else required.

what pakistan can do:
fabricate bulkheads out of imported steel
cad mockups for propaganda videos

we have to start somewhere we cant always rely on China , no one is saying we need it in 3 years we just need to start
imagine if we had this kind of thinking with nukes

 

[Waz]

Cant believe PAF had only 26 but its a good news 20 more will be inducted soon.

I believe it is only 20.....There is no evidence of more than that.

 

[flyingorca]

I believe it is only 20.....There is no evidence of more than that.

So 20 J10 x 4 PL-15 = 80 IAF jets distruction at a time. Not bad.

 

[RajaBaja]

Well there way a guy named @bharwana on old pdf, there was another emirate guy with if name @Khafee.

Pdf members haven't forgot them. We all remember that there is always a messiah on pdf promising more than what MNS promises. So please don't misunderstand me. It's not like we don't want to accept what you saying. It's just that we can't. Because

1. It doesn't make any sense. They already signed deal with Turkey for 5G fighter. And they can purchase J-35 easily from china. So why would it go to the length of making new one ? That too, with Pakistan who can't even manufacture JF-17 independently.

2. 2028 is too far away and I am 90% certain you or me won't be around (on pdf) by then.

It is what it is.

I remember both of these gentlemen as I used to debate with them and had discussions with you also. My screen name back then was Viper1122 with a B1's screen pic. You may or may not remember. I spent years on PDF majority reading as I just didn't have the time to interact as much as I used to travel 5 days a week hopping airports for so many years. No, not a pilot or one of the flight crew, although it started to feel like it . So obviously, there is respect for everyone from that community.

Now without going into details, what I share, I take full responsibility of it. Unless the world see's major events take place not accounted for, if I shared something, that's because the direction has been set on it.

You, or anyone else, have ALL the rights to not believe it. No one's going to gain Shahrukh Khan like popularity off a defense forum. But do remember these years: 2028, 2030, 2035. Critical years to see huge military and economy related developments. Obviously we hope things will happen sooner and they can depending upon financial backing. Otherwise, remember the dates.

Yes, you're right. I won't be around by 2026, let alone 2028. I have bigger fish to fry soon. Which is why I shared these years so the readers will remember when they see stuff happening. Regards.

 

[gamaji]

Egyptian and Jordanian AF should fly regular EW surveillance planes around Israeli borders and the Iraqi and Saudis too should implement a thorough air surveillance regularly.Meanwhile Turkey should should also keep an eye on the situation using high altitude drones.
Iraq should mobilise a plan with the Saudis and Egyptian-PAF a batch of fighters to the furtherest north of Saudi border Iraq should get the Chinese AD missiles somewhere in Iraq close to Iran. The idea is to have advanced early warning systems and multiple radar stations and communications with Chinese satellites to deter any possible attack on any Arab territory.

It all depends on the rulers' mindset. Arabs' defeatist mindset allowed a paltery state of merely 15000 sq.kms to appear as an enormous monster that can defy the whole world, carry out a genocide of Palestinians, violate/breach all international laws, and even defy the orders of international court of justice. Yes, this fascist entity has all kinds of support from the west but didn't Modi enjoy the tacit support from the same world powers before May 7th?

The war criminal Zionists have so far not faced a real enemy but all dummies and cowards. Even the ground based bombardment (with long range MRLs) simultaneously from all sides would bring this tiny rouge entity to its knees. But, again you need to shrug off the cowardness and defeatist mentality and show a rock solid determination to achieve the goal.

 

[Yasser76]

I believe it is only 20.....There is no evidence of more than that.

Possibly more now bruv

 

[ghazi52]

 

[MH.Yang]

Chinese children's comments on the J-10C!

Interviewer: Do you know what the J-10C is used for?​

Children: Smoke show.​

I wonder if the IAF fighter pilots are satisfied with this answer...

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The aircraft of the August 1st flight demonstration team should be J-10A. J-10C should not have participated in this parade.