PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[studsmart]

Although IAF now knows what happened to them, they will prepare more, and the earlier surprise is gone. However, that surprise still exists. PAF needs numbers in J-10C and JF-17 Block 3. Plus, add new surprises like J-35A and improve AD density from low to high altitude. Pakistan and PAF have basic infrastructure ready and could be expanded with numbers. Pakistan can also add energy weapons for UCAV swarm attack.

 

[maxpane]

Total 40, 2 sqn.

sir do we have a plan to use drone with j 35 like kizlima type

 

[studsmart]

sir do we have a plan to use drone with j 35 like kizlima type

that is the work in progress, could be 2 -3 years away

 

[AeronautIR]

sir do we have a plan to use drone with j 35 like kizlima type

Yes, all types of drones will be employed, from FPV to loyal wingman.

 

[maxpane]

Yes, all types of drones will be employed, from FPV to loyal wingman.

for this do we not need dual seater type aircraft like j 20 s ?

 

[AeronautIR]

for this do we not need dual seater type aircraft like j 20 s ?

Not necessarily... F-22 and F-35 are single seater but they will also employ CCA drones.

 

[Aziqbal]

I heard about the 144 Rafales for $36 billion

these idiots are out of their mind

Pakistan with plenty of JF17 Block 3, J10CP + J35 should be fine

 

[m52k85]

I heard about the 144 Rafales for $36 billion

these idiots are out of their mind

Pakistan with plenty of JF17 Block 3, J10CP + J35 should be fine

Dassault edges past 2025 Rafale target as demand stays high

Dassault delivered 26 Rafale fighters in 2025, slightly above target, with a 220-jet backlog and strong export interest keeping the fighter’s orderbook well filled.

www.aerotime.aero

They wont start coming before 2032. Expect PAF to sign with China in 2030 and deliveries to come as Indian deliveries start.

All these internet fan boys talking about an imminent counter annoucement by PAF have no appreciation of production rates and delivery time tables and relative industrial capacity.

 

[nang2]

I have a dream: to travel around the world!
When I have enough time, I don't have enough money.
When I save up enough money, I don't have enough time.

When you have both money and time, you may not have the energy. Life is never perfect.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Although IAF now knows what happened to them, they will prepare more, and the earlier surprise is gone. However, that surprise still exists. PAF needs numbers in J-10C and JF-17 Block 3. Plus, add new surprises like J-35A and improve AD density from low to high altitude. Pakistan and PAF have basic infrastructure ready and could be expanded with numbers. Pakistan can also add energy weapons for UCAV swarm attack.

except those are F5s not F4s

 

[Shui]

for this do we not need dual seater type aircraft like j 20 s ?

J-20 and J-35 have no problem with GJ-11 as most of the job are done by AI, J-20S is promoted as controller of loyal wingman but not limited to that,
actually according to very credible people like Guancha trio, if the customer has the requirement, it's just some software update to fly the loyal wingman with J-10C or other 4.5th gen jets.

 

[Afif]

I heard about the 144 Rafales for $36 billion

these idiots are out of their mind

Pakistan with plenty of JF17 Block 3, J10CP + J35 should be fine

No, that is life cycle sustainment cost, a good numbers of weapons and training included with 1/3 indigenous content. That is of course, if the deal ever goes through.

 

[sutton9999]

India already given up for now. The Rafael deal is cashing in kickbacks by incumbents.

J35A is mostly for the Saudi pact.

 

[ThoroughPro]

except those are F5s not F4s

with French pilots?

 

[Deino]

@Deino

Dear sir, can you give an idea what are production number per batch? i mean single batch production amounts to how many aircraft? (J-10CE production?)

In fact not really, up to Batch 03 the usual number was 40 per Batch (Batch 02 was an exception and hat maybe even 80) ... from Batch 05 on, the individual highest cn. seen was 0X25 within Batch 08.

As such I think 40 maybe but that depends on the number of aircraft actually ordered! If there is only a small batch of additional ones for the PAF, the number could be quite small, if there is indeed a not yet disclosed order for another country, it could be larger or even huge! It all depends on the numbers ordered.

But per my understanding we have no hard facts available and nowadays the media is more out for clicks & attention and reports without checking the facts, which again is spread even further by the social media. In essence we have the following more or less credible claims:

• Sudan ... was once reported I think two years ago, since then NOTHING!
• Egypt ... was hyped as a given fact by local media and several fan-boys as if even local production would be granted, since then NOTHING! (but allegedly F-15 preferred now)
• Indonesia ... officially admitted but later again recalled! Seems IMO one of the most likely deals, but unsure if refurbished old J-10A or factory-fresh J-10CE
• Uzbekistan ... often rumoured as the likely true first customer after Pakistan
• Tanzania ... something of a wild-card, but indeed not impossible according to my information.

All other reports like North Korea, Algeria and whatever are IMO not credible or possible.

Surely @Michael can correct me or explain better.