PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Not flaws, but enhancements for the PAF. The same exercise that we did with the F-7PGs prior to induction.

Maybe. But basically, the PAF wanted an enhanced version of the F-16. If the J-10 didn't have what PAF F-16s already had, then the J-10 was not good enough.

 

[MH.Yang]

Maybe. But basically, the PAF wanted an enhanced version of the F-16. If the J-10 didn't have what PAF F-16s already had, then the J-10 was not good enough.

You cannot demand an air superiority fighter to replace a multifunctional fighter.

 

[Ak01]

Not flaws, but enhancements for the PAF. The same exercise that we did with the F-7PGs prior to induction.

word it however you like lol

 

[Ak01]

Whether it is about fighter jets or the tactics of the air forces of China and Pakistan, Pakistan has indeed provided a lot of advice to Chinese military companies and the military.

So, as I speculated earlier, after the Pakistani military used the J-10C to achieve victory in the May War, they gave modification suggestions to Chinese military companies, making the revised J-10C better suited to the requirements of the Pakistani military. This is one of the reasons why we have not been able to find follow-up orders for the J-10C.

considering its been what, 2/3 years since the order, the paf did not anticipate this conflict, so obviously its not this

 

[MH.Yang]

Chinese troops have been away from war for more than 40 years, and many of our weapons have not undergone the test of actual combat. Pakistan has helped us a lot in this regard.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

considering its been what, 2/3 years since the order, the paf did not anticipate this conflict, so obviously its not this

We know that training and actual combat are different. After the May war, pilots using the J-10C will have some different experiences. These experiences might form suggestions to be provided to military companies. This is valuable combat experience, and military companies need these suggestions to improve the J-10C or other aircraft.

It is quite normal in China for companies to make modifications based on suggestions provided after training or actual combat. Two adjacent batches of delivered aircraft might have different performance. Unlike procurement in other countries, exchanges between China and Pakistan are more frequent. Here is an article that talks about Pakistan's assistance with the J-7M, mentioning that after Pakistan purchased 20 J-7Ms, subsequent orders required continued improvements.

巴基斯坦要求改进歼7座舱，巴空军中将亲自示范：这里要和F16一样

巴方飞行员评价，“幻影5除了续航更远之外，在空战中是打不过歼-7M型的”，“和F-16比，歼-7M的雷达和机动性都稍逊一筹，但可以和F-16周旋。”巴方的“座舱执著”1985年，巴基斯坦和中国正式签订了采购2…

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My speculation is based on the repeated process of delivery–equipment–feedback–improvement by military companies, and the conclusions drawn from this article. I believe that, just like with the procurement of the J-7M, the J-10C goes through the same process.

 

[safriz]

Air Marshal (retd) Shahid Lateef who was one of Chief Project Directors on JF-17 Thunders said in one of his interviews, that they had pointed out to the Chinese more than 40 flaws in the J-10s.

As far as i remember the J-10 was a privately funded commercial project with Pakistan agreeing to pay a big proportion of the R&D . Then came Zardari and Pakistan did not abide by the agreement, as Zardari gobbled up all the R&D budget. In Fact its on record from ACM Rao Qamar Sulaiman that PAF only ever got 60% of the allocated budget throughout the 5 years of Zardari regime. The other 40% never made it's way to PAF, and disappeared at Ministry of Defense level.
That money barely covered Wages and Day to day running costs.
PAF had no money to contribute towards J-10 R&D. The "Flaws" you are mentioning were a Wishlist from PAF, as Chinese were left to self fund the project, and had taken the project to a different direction as per their needs not PAF needs.

You can call General Musharraf whatever you want. But it was he who Initiated JF-17 and J-10 projects. He actually visited J-10 factory / Facility himself. He made the Joint R&D deal with the Chinse. Then came "Jamhooriyat" .

 

[safriz]

Chinese troops have been away from war for more than 40 years, and many of our weapons have not undergone the test of actual combat. Pakistan has helped us a lot in this regard.

You welcome.
And we can all thank Indian Megalomania for creating the circumstances that PAF could literally test everything they have. Electronic intelligence, Signal Intelligence, Jamming, Spoofing, and actual Jets and Missiles, the entire Kill web/ Mesh .

 

[hasssanali8998]

As far as i remember the J-10 was a privately funded commercial project with Pakistan agreeing to pay a big proportion of the R&D . Then came Zardari and Pakistan did not abide by the agreement, as Zardari gobbled up all the R&D budget. In Fact its on record from ACM Rao Qamar Sulaiman that PAF only ever got 60% of the allocated budget throughout the 5 t=years of Zardari regime.
That money barely covered Wages and Day to day running costs.
PAF had no money to contribute towards J-10 R&D. The "Flaws" you are mentioning were a Wishlist from PAF, as Chinese had taken the project to a different direction as per their needs not PAF needs.

embezzling funds for air force is crazy man .

 

[Michael]

As far as i remember the J-10 was a privately funded commercial project with Pakistan agreeing to pay a big proportion of the R&D . Then came Zardari and Pakistan did not abide by the agreement, as Zardari gobbled up all the R&D budget. In Fact its on record from ACM Rao Qamar Sulaiman that PAF only ever got 60% of the allocated budget throughout the 5 years of Zardari regime. The other 40% never made it's way to PAF, and disappeared at Ministry of Defense level.
That money barely covered Wages and Day to day running costs.
PAF had no money to contribute towards J-10 R&D. The "Flaws" you are mentioning were a Wishlist from PAF, as Chinese were left to self fund the project, and had taken the project to a different direction as per their needs not PAF needs.

You can call General Musharraf whatever you want. But it was he who Initiated JF-17 and J-10 projects. He actually visited J-10 factory / Facility himself. He made the Joint R&D deal with the Chinse. Then came "Jamhooriyat" .

All the opinions are completely wrong.

 

[safriz]

embezzling funds for air force is crazy man .

You may remember that after the OBL Abbottabad Saga , the PAF said they did not have operational Radars looking towards Western borders. They were not Wrong. There wasnt any budget to keep all the Ground based Radars operational. PAF could barely operate Eastward looking radars.
And that Our Khaki Bahis and Zardari had a deal with Obama to boost his failing election Campaign . The OBL saga massively helped Obama and he won the election. He mentioned that in pretty much every election rally and debate.

 

[safriz]

General Musharraf Chengdu visit

 

[Deino]

What about YJ-91/YJ-91A (not in doctrinal terms, but let's just add it), YJ-83K, and KD-88? If I am not wrong, they do differ in their primary roles (anti-radiation/SEADs/anti-ship/land-attack), but I guess all of them indeed are dedicated air-launched cruise missiles integrated with J-10Cs? Although, I haven't seen the exact KD-88/AKD-88 version on a J-10C, but rather a smaller, compact (?) version.

Well, the KD-88 and YJ-83K are maybe often called cruise missiles but in fact they are tactical air-to-surface / Anti-ship missiles and not really an ALCM aka a true cruise missile like the Tomahawk of the true ALCM AGM-86 even more so I don't know if Pakistan purchased any of these two.

 

[Mohid Afzal]

embezzling funds for air force is crazy man .

From what I remember from the old forum, it wasn't just PAF that had funding issues during zardari era, HIT and many others were having problems as well

 

[fitpOsitive]

not only is the news absurd , but you have posted it in the wrong thread .

I realized that.