PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[FuturePAF]

Come on, the YJ-12 is a monster of a missile much too large and heavy! The J-10 can never ever carry this one ... the missile in the images is a YJ-91 ARM.

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You are right that it is a massive missile, but it doesn’t mean a smaller derivative can’t be developed and carried.

The J-10 can carry 1600 liter fuel tanks on each wing. 1600 liters or ~422 gallons of jet fuel weights about 1277 kg of weight each.

https://jscalc.io/embed/oyHJrYooUr1wDQPb

The YJ-12 is said to be based on the KH-31; a 600 kg missile. And if that were true, then it should be easily carried, but based on PLA sources that it’s warhead alone is 500 kg, it not likely the missile only weighs 600 kg.

The US Navy bought MA-31 target drones.[3] An $18.468-million order for thirty-four MA-31 was placed in 1999,[13] but this order was blocked by the Russians.[14] The MA-31 was launched from an F-4 Phantom, and work was done on a kit to launch it from an F-16.[3]

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Mass About 2.500 kg

YJ-12

But this includes the booster. Perhaps dropping the booster and developing the missile further, reducing the size of the warhead, the weight can be reduce to around 1500 kg.

Perhaps then a YJ-12 variant, with the same speed, maybe not as much range or warhead size, can be carried by the J-10. To compensate for the loss of the fuel tanks the J-10 may need CFTs, at least for the Anti-shipping role.

 

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But this includes the booster. Perhaps dropping the booster and developing the missile further, reducing the size of the warhead, the weight can be reduce to around 1500 kg.

Air launched supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles doesnt need a boosters sir only land and ship based supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles need a boosters to reach mach 1 to start ramjet

 

[FuturePAF]

Air launched supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles doesnt need a boosters sir only land and ship based supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles need a boosters to reach mach 1 to start ramjet

Thanks for the clarification. Any estimate how heavy the booster on the ground/ship launched YJ-12 (a 7 meter long missile with a 0.6 meter diameter) would be?

It seems like the booster could be about a meter long, and therefore possibly 10-15% of the weight? (250-375kg)



And bring this back to the J-10; is it known what is the weight limit of the inner pylons?

 

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Thanks for the clarification. Any estimate how heavy the booster on the ground/ship launched YJ-12 (a 7 meter long missile with a 0.6 meter diameter) would be?

It seems like the booster could be about a meter long, and therefore possibly 10-15% of the weight? (250-375kg)

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Sorry sir I have no idea about it

 

[Deino]

You are right that it is a massive missile, but it doesn’t mean a smaller derivative can’t be developed and carried.

The J-10 can carry 1600 liter fuel tanks on each wing. 1600 liters or ~422 gallons of jet fuel weights about 1277 kg of weight each.

https://jscalc.io/embed/oyHJrYooUr1wDQPb

The YJ-12 is said to be based on the KH-31; a 600 kg missile. And if that were true, then it should be easily carried, but based on PLA sources that it’s warhead alone is 500 kg, it not likely the missile only weighs 600 kg.

MA-31 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

YJ-12

But this includes the booster. Perhaps dropping the booster and developing the missile further, reducing the size of the warhead, the weight can be reduce to around 1500 kg.

Perhaps then a YJ-12 variant, with the same speed, maybe not as much range or warhead size, can be carried by the J-10. To compensate for the loss of the fuel tanks the J-10 may need CFTs, at least for the Anti-shipping role.

Sorry, but that makes no sense ... to develop a smaller, lighter "variant" of the YJ-12 is not necessary, since there is the CM-400AKG.

 

[FuturePAF]

Sorry, but that makes no sense ... to develop a smaller, lighter "variant" of the YJ-12 is not necessary, since there is the CM-400AKG.

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Isn’t the trajectory of the CM-400AKG ballistic? Terminal velocity may be high, it seems like an air launched ballistic missile, that could be intercept futher out/higher up.

A sea skimming air breathing missile that can sustain high Mach numbers at low altitude would be a more potent challenge for any enemy naval force, due to limited reaction time. With advances in hypersonic inlet technology, a further development of a hypersonic air breathing cruise missile should be able to overcome kinetic defense currently in development.

[ANTI SHIP / SOW] Pakistan’s potent answers to Indian Naval Threats - CM-400 AKG & C-802A Anti ship missiles armed on JF-17 Thunders and ...

For Pakistan’s ANTI - ACESS & AREA - DENIAL MARITIME DOCTORINE A2 / AD , the inclusion of the CM-400 AKG was a significant step. It enabled Pakistan to combine a Steep - Angle, Hypersonic Stand off - Low Cost Rocket (CM-400AKG) in Salvo with Sea-skimming subsonic Weapons - namely Exocet , C-802A ...

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Perhaps a development of the Chinese XingKong-2 Missile.

The goal should be a 1500 KG missile (the CM-400AKG is about 900 kg) that can go hypersonic with a 200 kg warhead and at least a 250 km range. Enough to launch beyond fighter patrols from carrier battle groups.

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Btw, the green/blue camp on the J-10 used by PAF mirages in anti shipping; credit Pakdef

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[Yasser76]

It goes both ways. The data learned will probably get passed on to the IAF, sooner or later.

Yeah, I think the Qatari Sqd is a joint squadron so would not be surprised if there were a few British pilots involved in this exercise or PAF ask them to be excluded. Was interesting we kept our birds away from the Americans at Ul Adeid air base too

 

[FuturePAF]

Yeah, I think the Qatari Sqd is a joint squadron so would not be surprised if there were a few British pilots involved in this exercise or PAF ask them to be excluded. Was interesting we kept our birds away from the Americans at Ul Adeid air base too

But you can be assured, the DIA guys at the base were studying the bird from a distance.

 

[Yasser76]

But you can be assured, the DIA guys at the base were studying the bird from a distance.

Yeah, USAF and USN would give their right arms to exercise against these birds...

 

[ghazi52]

A J-10C of Pakistan Air Force belongs to No. 15th "Cobras" Squadron, at Qatar for Zilzal-II exercise

 

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[ghazi52]

A J-10CE of Pakistan Air Force belongs to No. 15th "Cobras" Squadron, at Qatar for Zilzal-II exercise

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

J10CE integrated with indigenous made MK series GPB anti radiation IREK SOW AL-BATTAR Series LGB 250/500/1000.