PAF J-10CE News Updates and Discussions part ll

[Yasser76]

I've noticed that Pakistanis, Turks, and Iranians seem to share a common trait: they often talk about things in terms of "if," "plans," or "the future" instead of focusing on what actually exists or is happening in reality.

You are fricking joking right? Some of Pakistan's pruchases we never hear of till they land in Pakistan


What we do hear about and have done for 20 year is what India "will" be doing....

What a misplaced post

 

[royalharris]

You are fricking joking right? Some of Pakistan's pruchases we never hear of till they land in Pakistan


What we do hear about and have done for 20 year is what India "will" be doing....

What a misplaced post

It’s no wonder you’re cut from the same cloth as Indians—your mouth reeks like you’ve eaten garbage

 

[Yasser76]

It’s no wonder you’re cut from the same cloth as Indians—your mouth reeks like you’ve eaten garbage

This reveals everything about who you are.....

 

[m52k85]

How so please?

Sorry, I will have to keep it brief. Force employment is different to force composition. Employment has to do with decisions taken. Under peace time these are game theoretically wargamed, what May 7th gave IAF was an important data point. They will come to the conclusion that their only chance against PAF is massive force employment. Let's just hope they half heart it just like last time when Feb-19 gave them the same leason. But unlike feb-19 so far there are no new major variables (platform inductions). Like I said before, a recently retired PAF AM has made similar comments about PAFs inflection point so Im not making this up only expounding on it.

 

[m52k85]

That was their mistake last time by sending so many fighter aircraft in the air at the same time creating communication challenge with their ground crew.

Lets just hope they dont figure out how to employ large high tempo force generation, but to assume so will be foolish.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Forget the "what ifs." Nobody knows if any of that will happen, and even if it does, nobody knows whether it's real. It's all bullshit.
The reality is that even Pakistan's existing, unupgraded F-16s were not permitted by the United States to be used in last year's India–Pakistan air clashes.

In last year's India–Pakistan air conflict, India was almost fully prepared on all fronts. It managed to get support from Europe, the United States, and Russia, but the only one country it could not persuade was China.
Fortunately, Pakistan won. Had Pakistan lost the air battle, it would have suffered a devastating blow.

anything happen at any time in future, And USA cleared the funds of 600 Million $$$ to integrate AMRAAM D for our all F-16s

And last its all about MAN BEHIND THE MAHCINE that's all matter, the machine can't do anything by itself

 

[Corax]

I've noticed that Pakistanis, Turks, and Iranians seem to share a common trait: they often talk about things in terms of "if," "plans," or "the future" instead of focusing on what actually exists or is happening in reality.

Why don't you enlighten the forum with your deep unspoken knowledge oh wise sensei.

 

[Corax]

Forget the "what ifs." Nobody knows if any of that will happen, and even if it does, nobody knows whether it's real. It's all bullshit.
The reality is that even Pakistan's existing, unupgraded F-16s were not permitted by the United States to be used in last year's India–Pakistan air clashes.

In last year's India–Pakistan air conflict, India was almost fully prepared on all fronts. It managed to get support from Europe, the United States, and Russia, but the only one country it could not persuade was China.
Fortunately, Pakistan won. Had Pakistan lost the air battle, it would have suffered a devastating blow.

So you speak about others talking about "what ifs", and then in the same breath make this sweeping idiotic statement;

"Had Pakistan lost the air battle, it would have suffered a devastating blow".

 

[Pakistan First]

Do you think the F16 of Pakistan can deliver the same results?

Can do even better. In 2019, PAF F-16s dominated over IAF. Sukhois had to flee, they could not challenge it. PAF can always upgrade those F-16s (and will do ofcourse) and might even buy more if situation requires.

BTW, You should be thankful to Pakistan, your jets got world wide marketing because of PAF and its expertise. The same jets which whole world used to make fun of by just saying "Made in China" and it isn't combat tested and won't work in actual combat.

Also, the end result is directly related to the tactics, the training and combat experience. Rafales are excellent fighter jet but in incapable hands they would fall out of sky.

We buy stuff from you, why you are not thankful ? We are paying for the stuff. We own that platforms. What's that f-king attitude ? If Chengdu or chinese officials ever show that pathetic attitude then you won't be able to sell a single thing. If we the only major buyer backs off that will be so revealing in itself for whole world that even the major buyer / ally is not trusting chinese products.

Next time show some humility or otherwise you know where the door is.

 

[royalharris]

Can do even better. In 2019, PAF F-16s dominated over IAF. Sukhois had to flee, they could not challenge it. PAF can always upgrade those F-16s (and will do ofcourse) and might even buy more if situation requires.

BTW, You should be thankful to Pakistan, your jets got world wide marketing because of PAF and its expertise. The same jets which whole world used to make fun of by just saying "Made in China" and it isn't combat tested and won't work in actual combat.

Also, the end result is directly related to the tactics, the training and combat experience. Rafales are excellent fighter jet but in incapable hands they would fall out of sky.

We buy stuff from you, why you are not thankful ? We are paying for the stuff. We own that platforms. What's that f-king attitude ? If Chengdu or chinese officials ever show that pathetic attitude then you won't be able to sell a single thing. If we the only major buyer backs off that will be so revealing in itself for whole world that even the major buyer / ally is not trusting chinese products.

Next time show some humility or otherwise you know where the door is.

So, how many Indian fighter jets did the F-16 shoot down in 2019?This is complete dominance? Pakistan claims to have shot down a MiG-21, and India claims to have shot down an F-16.

You see, J-35s clearly haven't been sold.

 

[puttputt]

I've noticed that Pakistanis, Turks, and Iranians seem to share a common trait: they often talk about things in terms of "if," "plans," or "the future" instead of focusing on what actually exists or is happening in reality.

You're projecting so hard that we can see a movie about how your people talk in "ifs" and "plans" and "the future."

And not only that, but we get the treat to see those "ifs" and "plans" and "the future" fall flat to the ground, like Abhinandan in 2019, 8-0 in May 2025, and the ass-whooping the IRGC inflicted on the Yanks.

GTFO.

 

[Corax]

So, how many Indian fighter jets did the F-16 shoot down in 2019?This is complete dominance? Pakistan claims to have shot down a MiG-21, and India claims to have shot down an F-16.

You see, J-35s clearly haven't been sold.

The PAF doesn't claim it shot down an IAF Mig-21, it DID! the indians claim, because there's no evidence of a PAF Viper shot down, all of the Mig-21s missiles were still attached to the wreckage. It was complete dominance, because the IAF couldn't do anything to deter the PAF strike package.

 

[Pakistan First]

o, how many Indian fighter jets did the F-16 shoot down in 2019?This is complete dominance? Pakistan claims to have shot down a MiG-21, and India claims to have shot down an F-16.

What a joker you are. Pakistan didn't "claimed" to shot down a mig-21. It showed the debris and captured IAF fighter pilot to whole world. Its not called "claimed". Its called established facts.

Pakistan did "claimed" to have shot down an additional SU-30. Indian search and rescue helicopter was sent to look for SU-30 but it was shot down by indians themselves in utter panic. Indians claimed to have shot down a F-16 but I leave it to IQ of yours to believe on claims.

Pakistani F-16s have also shot down atleast 10 Soviet and Afghan fighter jets in late 1980s. One downed soviet fighter pilot later became VP of Russia.

Newer F-16s are very very capable fighter jets.

As far as J-35 is concerned, if Pakistan don't buy it that means PAF has rejected it on technical grounds and it will be a massive blow to the image of next gen chinese military products.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Only difference between our F-16s and our J-10C is radar/Avionics/EW etc etc J-10C has much more advance electronics than our F-16, I'm talking about dimension is quite same and bring our F-16s to V upgrade or newly built F-16 block 70/72 with comparable BVR of PL-15 like AIM-174 they can bring better results than J-10C

Ozgur is a far better upgrade n will upgrade our f 16 to a level equlant to block 70/72 standard if not further.
The radar developed under ozgur is GaN based unlike the apg 83 which is GaA based.
Plus it would increase the service life of the airframe from 8000 to 12000

 

[royalharris]

What a joker you are. Pakistan didn't "claimed" to shot down a mig-21. It showed the debris and captured IAF fighter pilot to whole world. Its not called "claimed". Its called established facts.

Pakistan did "claimed" to have shot down an additional SU-30. Indian search and rescue helicopter was sent to look for SU-30 but it was shot down by indians themselves in utter panic. Indians claimed to have shot down a F-16 but I leave it to IQ of yours to believe on claims.

Pakistani F-16s have also shot down atleast 10 Soviet and Afghan fighter jets in late 1980s. One downed soviet fighter pilot later became VP of Russia.

Newer F-16s are very very capable fighter jets.

As far as J-35 is concerned, if Pakistan don't buy it that means PAF has rejected it on technical grounds and it will be a massive blow to the image of next gen chinese military products.

You'd be better off convincing your government and military not to buy it

It seems that China is currently ramping up production of J-10 fighter jets for Indonesia, Algeria, and Egypt, while Pakistan would be better served by focusing on its F-16s

The twenty J-10C fighters currently in service are already enough for Pakistan.