PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Deino]

The J-9 and J-13 were both early Chinese fighter development programs, similar in concept and role to the F-16. The distinction lay in their origins: the J-9 was developed by the 611 Institute (CAC), while the J-13 was developed by the 601 Institute (SAC). Ultimately, both projects were cancelled; however, some of their research and development findings were subsequently applied to the J-10 project.

The J-14—also known as the "Snowy Owl" fighter project(雪鸮战斗机项目)—represented the 601 Institute's (SAC) entry into the competition for China's fifth-generation fighter program, where it competed against the J-20 project developed by the 611 Institute (CAC). Ultimately, the 611 Institute's J-20 project was selected as the winner. The J-14 project was subsequently terminated, though some of its research and development findings were later utilized in the FC-31/J-35 project.

*To date, no official Chinese government or institutional body has ever publicly acknowledged the existence of the J-14 project. All information regarding it is derived from analyses and compilations of fragmented data gathered from various Chinese-language media sources.

Thanks, I know the older types pretty well and also the Snowy Owl, but I wasn't awaew it was called J-14.

Thanks again my friend!

 

[Michael]

Thanks, I know the older types pretty well and also the Snowy Owl, but I wasn't awaew it was called J-14.

Thanks again my friend!

Official sources have never acknowledged that "the Snowy Owl" is synonymous with the J-14 project. This conclusion is merely the result of analyzing and synthesizing numerous fragments of information; it does not constitute an official determination.

In official Chinese sources, the existence of the J-9, J-12, and J-13 projects has been publicly acknowledged; however, the J-14 project has not yet been publicly acknowledged.

For someone as meticulous as you, you can simply ignore it!

 

[Deino]

Official sources have never acknowledged that "the Snowy Owl" is synonymous with the J-14 project. This conclusion is merely the result of analyzing and synthesizing numerous fragments of information; it does not constitute an official determination.

In official Chinese sources, the existence of the J-9, J-12, and J-13 projects has been publicly acknowledged; however, the J-14 project has not yet been publicly acknowledged.

For someone as meticulous as you, you can simply ignore it!

Well, the funny part is, that the Snowy Owl per my list was always (initially) referred to as the J-18 or J-19 and at least according to the true chronological order, the CAC J-10 should have been the true J-14 succeeding the failed SAC J-13 and being developed before the naval J-15 and AF J-16 as much improved Flankers.

Anyway … back to the topic and in thsi regard, why the J-35 is the J-25 and not the J-2X?

 

[That_Guy]

India acquiring SU-57, which is battle proven in Ukraine.
Just estimated on paper BVR, and FCR capabilities, SU57 which India going to acquire, though it may take them longer vs Pak J-35AE. J35AE being smaller, and supposedly w better e-fusion may be able to detect heavier SU57 earlier. PAF has proven superior kill chain during May 2025 battle.

J-35AE RCS < 0.05m²
FCR KLJ-7A AESA 150–200 km.
PL-15 dual pulse rocket motor ~200–300 km mach 4-5
PL-17 dual pulse rocket motor ~300–500 km, mach 4-6

SU57 RCS 0.1 to 1.0m²
FCR Radar ~400 km
R77M single pulse ~190–200 km mach 5-6
R37M dual pulse 300-400 km mach 6+

SU57 radar
Main Nose Array (N036-1-01)
Side-Looking Arrays (N036B-1-01) in cheeks
Wing-Root L-Band Arrays (N036L-1-01): To detect stealth AC

The Su-57 isn't battle proven.

 

[studsmart]

India acquiring SU-57, which is battle proven in Ukraine.
Just estimated on paper BVR, and FCR capabilities, SU57 which India going to acquire, though it may take them longer vs Pak J-35AE. J35AE being smaller, and supposedly w better e-fusion may be able to detect heavier SU57 earlier. PAF has proven superior kill chain during May 2025 battle.

J-35AE RCS < 0.05m²
FCR KLJ-7A AESA 150–200 km.
PL-15 dual pulse rocket motor ~200–300 km mach 4-5
PL-17 dual pulse rocket motor ~300–500 km, mach 4-6

SU57 RCS 0.1 to 1.0m²
FCR Radar ~400 km
R77M single pulse ~190–200 km mach 5-6
R37M dual pulse 300-400 km mach 6+

SU57 radar
Main Nose Array (N036-1-01)
Side-Looking Arrays (N036B-1-01) in cheeks
Wing-Root L-Band Arrays (N036L-1-01): To detect stealth AC

At what distance will su57 be able to detect j35A while j35a is carrying all PL-16 internally and vise versa?

 

[Aziqbal]

At what distance will su57 be able to detect j35A while j35a is carrying all PL-16 internally and vise versa?

dont think that will ever happen that J35AE and Su57 are on a desert island no one else is there it will be who detects first

5th gens work as part of a integrated defence package , military satellites and AWACS

also adding in surveillance, electronic warfare, jamming, eavesdropping and code breaking and while array of spectrum

taking feeds from UCAVS and UAVS from ground radar stations and whole other spectrum of data

5th generation warfare is not jet vs jet but rather package vs package

 

[air marshal]

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[HH-9A]

Can we have a short narrative if the long context is not in English?

 

[That_Guy]

Can we have a short narrative if the long context is not in English?

Pakistan is expected to get the J-35 sometime at the end of this year, to the middle of next year, and that Pakistan seems to have expedited matters. Also, we won't know about any J-35 in Pakistan for atleast a year after Pakistan has acquired it. Finally, just because the J-35 is seen flying in Pakistan, does not mean Pakistan has inducted it in any capacity.

There, that's the summary.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

The Su-57 isn't battle proven.

My friend, the SU-57 has combat experience on the Russia-Ukraine battlefield.

From 2022 to 2024, the SU-57 mainly carried out standoff strike missions outside Ukraine's air defense systems.

From 2024 to 2026, it carried out close-range precision strikes and suppression of air defenses.

On February 6, 2026, the SU-57 used KH-69 stealth cruise missiles to destroy the Patriot air defense system at Kanatovo Airport. Subsequently, Russia's Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missiles hit the airport, destroying the hangars and F-16 fighter jets inside.

However, the use of the SU-57, similar to that of the United States and Israel, was against countries with incomplete air defense systems. We cannot determine its true capabilities.

 

[That_Guy]

My friend, the SU-57 has combat experience on the Russia-Ukraine battlefield.

From 2022 to 2024, the SU-57 mainly carried out standoff strike missions outside Ukraine's air defense systems.

From 2024 to 2026, it carried out close-range precision strikes and suppression of air defenses.

On February 6, 2026, the SU-57 used KH-69 stealth cruise missiles to destroy the Patriot air defense system at Kanatovo Airport. Subsequently, Russia's Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missiles hit the airport, destroying the hangars and F-16 fighter jets inside.

However, the use of the SU-57, similar to that of the United States and Israel, was against countries with incomplete air defense systems. We cannot determine its true capabilities.

In other words, no actual combat experience.

Unless it's in an air to air fight, it has no actual experience.

Ground attack doesn't count, and has never counted.

 

[mythbuster]

In other words, no actual combat experience.

Unless it's in an air to air fight, it has no actual experience.

Ground attack doesn't count, and has never counted.

Neither does F 35 have any actual experience by your standards.

 

[Yasser76]

In other words, no actual combat experience.

Unless it's in an air to air fight, it has no actual experience.

Ground attack doesn't count, and has never counted.

Disagree here, ground attack in a highly contested area against a peer is no easy task, both for pilots, aircraft, avionics and weapons. That is a bit like implying the A-10 has no combat experiance.....

 

[Corax]

I thought the Su57 was supposed to have some air to air kills in Ukraine?

 

[KingQamaR]

The j-10 is already sufficient to deal with india; China I think will not upset the regional military balance j35 to Pakistan.