PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Pak-Warrior]

Exporting J35 to Pakistan would basically be the same as giving it to Turkey for free. Then suddenly there will be a lot of progress for KAAN
Wasn’t the lesson from the CH drone enough?

"Suddenly there will be a lot of progress for KAAN" LMAO!

KAAN is already doing its test flights.

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Imagine, if KAAN would have done its test flight right after Pakistan receiving J-35, then all low IQ people would have accused Pakistan right away.

 

[Dreamer]

Yes, I know - it can be easily confusing.

Everyone sees the twin engines but they can’t see the front side ?

Cockpit
Wings
Air refueling on the top
Mini-gun
RCS - low radar signature

This is exactly the F-35A - see below

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It’s a 95% match except for the single engine vs. twin engines, anyway it is just wrong picture

Reference:

Air Guard Warns Of Dire Consequences If At Least 72 Fighters Aren’t Bought Annually

Air National Guard leaders have called upon Congress to approve multiyear funding for 72 to 100 new fighters annually. Air National Guard leaders have called upon Congress to approve multiyear funding for 72 to 100 new fighters annually.

www.twz.com

some people waste too much time on CGI's.

 

[Toxic]

382 pages of pure slop, makes zero sense to keep this going when PAF has essentially stated that J-35s are not a priority right now and that focus is still on J-10Cs and JF-17s

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Stop making claims out of your a*s, back them up with official sources else sybau

There is no evidence for this accusation.

According to military news reports, during the May war, a Chinese professional technical team provided comprehensive technical support for Pakistan's JF-10CE fighter jets at a Pakistan Air Force base.

We can speculate that the Chinese technical team was cultivating Pakistan's logistical support capabilities. This represents that cooperation between China and Pakistan has always existed, and it is very likely that Chinese technical personnel remain in Pakistan.

On the other hand, if advanced technology were this easy to obtain, why doesn't the United States produce rare earth materials? China has been selling rare earth materials to the United States for decades.

Turkey purchased engines from the United States, but the engine issues for Turkey's fifth-generation aircraft have yet to be resolved. There are reports that Turkey plans to introduce China's WS-10G engine as the supporting engine for its fifth-generation stealth fighter project "Khan."

Therefore, such accusations are unreasonable.

At the same time, I hope Pakistani friends understand the feelings of the Chinese people; we are very averse to Turkey.

In July 1999, when China's first aircraft carrier passed through the Bosporus Strait controlled by Turkey, under "reminders from a third country," Turkey forcibly ordered the carrier Varyag to return to the Black Sea, and it was not allowed to leave until September 2001.

During the two years in Turkey, besides paying high fees, China was also forced to accept Turkey's strict requirements. In August 2001, Turkey demanded that Chinese people travel to Turkey, emphasizing that 2 million visits per year were needed, from which Turkey could earn about 2 billion US dollars in foreign exchange. China provided Turkey with 360 million US dollars in economic aid and agreed to Turkey's request.

However, Turkey then proposed up to 20 so-called "security" measures, which required China to provide 1 billion US dollars as a "toll."

With Greece guaranteeing in the name of the state, Turkey waived the toll. However, the other "security" measures were too strict, and with Greece's assistance, a Greek sailor lost his life.

 

[mythbuster]

There is no evidence for this accusation.

According to military news reports, during the May war, a Chinese professional technical team provided comprehensive technical support for Pakistan's JF-10CE fighter jets at a Pakistan Air Force base.

We can speculate that the Chinese technical team was cultivating Pakistan's logistical support capabilities. This represents that cooperation between China and Pakistan has always existed, and it is very likely that Chinese technical personnel remain in Pakistan.

On the other hand, if advanced technology were this easy to obtain, why doesn't the United States produce rare earth materials? China has been selling rare earth materials to the United States for decades.

Turkey purchased engines from the United States, but the engine issues for Turkey's fifth-generation aircraft have yet to be resolved. There are reports that Turkey plans to introduce China's WS-10G engine as the supporting engine for its fifth-generation stealth fighter project "Khan."

Therefore, such accusations are unreasonable.

At the same time, I hope Pakistani friends understand the feelings of the Chinese people; we are very averse to Turkey.

In July 1999, when China's first aircraft carrier passed through the Bosporus Strait controlled by Turkey, under "reminders from a third country," Turkey forcibly ordered the carrier Varyag to return to the Black Sea, and it was not allowed to leave until September 2001.

During the two years in Turkey, besides paying high fees, China was also forced to accept Turkey's strict requirements. In August 2001, Turkey demanded that Chinese people travel to Turkey, emphasizing that 2 million visits per year were needed, from which Turkey could earn about 2 billion US dollars in foreign exchange. China provided Turkey with 360 million US dollars in economic aid and agreed to Turkey's request.

However, Turkey then proposed up to 20 so-called "security" measures, which required China to provide 1 billion US dollars as a "toll."

With Greece guaranteeing in the name of the state, Turkey waived the toll. However, the other "security" measures were too strict, and with Greece's assistance, a Greek sailor lost his life.

Sounds like an excerpt from Tom Clancy's novel .... well , whatever floats your

 

[EgoKaempfer]

There is no evidence for this accusation.

Gossip press is assume =)
And of course no official confirmation.

"However, the Pakistani side has shared this technology with Turkey without consulting with the Chinese side, and Turkey has used this technology to launch the TB-2 unmanned aerial vehicle, which not only successfully occupied the Middle East market, but also directly competed with Chinese drones in the next many conflicts."
source: https://www.sohu.com/a/922828988_12...k3_308_NDdFbm_1_fd.6.1754881130801Rp1pKh7_324

"In order to change technology, the Pakistani side actually let the Turkish side copy the KLJ-7A radar operation protocol of AVIC!"
source: https://www.163.com/dy/article/K7O2PIGT0556F10F_pdya11y.html

 

[Deino]

Mind blowing - I am curious is there a dark factory for J-35 as well? I think there was a new big factories open somewhere?

Automation for J-20:

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No, that's not what the video say, but what again a stupid fake-spreader makes out of a news: Such factories produce certain components & not complete aircraft. The video reported that the composite layup process has been streamlined from a full day's work for six people down to just half a day's work for a single person.

Dark Factory. In today’s China, this is not some advanced technology. The only consideration for adopting a 'Dark Factory' is economic efficiency.

According to official sources, most of the new production lines built by Chinese military-industrial enterprises in recent years have adopted the 'Dark Factory' design.

Indeed highly likely, but that does not mean, the rate of J-20-production has been doubled. The rate has been quite high with 100+ aircraft per year for the last years or does anyone believe it reaches now 200 per year!?

 

[Yasser76]

382 pages of pure slop, makes zero sense to keep this going when PAF has essentially stated that J-35s are not a priority right now and that focus is still on J-10Cs and JF-17s

Guess you did not hear the speech properly, but never mind....

 

[clutch]

No money, no honey

 

[maverick]

No money, no honey

Reminds of Govinda movie.

 

[royalharris]

"Suddenly there will be a lot of progress for KAAN" LMAO!

KAAN is already doing its test flights.

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Imagine, if KAAN would have done its test flight right after Pakistan receiving J-35, then all low IQ people would have accused Pakistan right away.

Can this even be called a test flight? It only proves that it can get airborne. It was just a very slow, low-speed, straight-line flight. They didn’t dare attempt any acceleration, maneuvering, or turns — probably because if they did, it would fall out of the sky.

At such a low takeoff speed, the tail fins are already wobbling nonstop. That proves the flight-control system is absolute garbage and not even worth mentioning.

This precisely proves the current reality in some countries: certain government actions are merely meant to fool the public, while the population’s overall quality and technical level are so low that they cannot detect anything wrong at all.

If the only goal is to prove that an aircraft can get off the ground, even ordinary Chinese civilians building homemade planes by hand or assembling makeshift planes can make them fly And they fly even better.

Every day, all they do is brag shamelessly. Of course, maybe it isn’t even bragging — perhaps a person’s cognitive ceiling is determined by their level of understanding and technological capability.

 

[HRK]

What proofs do you have for your the most stupid accusation?

Going by your logic of accusations & rumors, almost whole of the world believes that Pakistan shared every american tech especially the F-16s, tomahawks etc with China. Till date the famous indian vloggers say with absolute conviction: China don't invent anything, it only "copies" and whatever whichever western nation sells to Pakistan ends up in China. I see no difference between those people and you. If you believe in ridiculous logic that Pakistan passes on advance military technology then you MUST believe it both ways or otherwise grow up!

Also, if people in chinese govt would have same low mentality then why on earth they are marketing their drones and fighter jets all over the world? and stop building export variants. Pakistan did the GREATEST marketing for chinese equipment that China ever could have done. Many in india and western world before last year air battle used to make fun of chinese military hardware as "Made in China" won't work and equipment being not combat proven. So, selling to Pakistan favors China a lot and its defense industry. China wants to sell its gear to Pakistan. When Pakistan military do rigorous testing, it improves chinese military equipment by the forces which have proven battle experience unlike China. Z-10ME improved a lot with our feedback. We would not have shared F-16 technology but we definitely shared the feedback from vast F-16 experience when China was a newbie in 4th gen fighter jet development.

So next time before making silly accusations, think Thoroughly and come up with hard proofs.

Ignore the idiot he has old habit of repeating this lie again and again .....

 

[royalharris]

Gossip press is assume =)
And of course no official confirmation.

"However, the Pakistani side has shared this technology with Turkey without consulting with the Chinese side, and Turkey has used this technology to launch the TB-2 unmanned aerial vehicle, which not only successfully occupied the Middle East market, but also directly competed with Chinese drones in the next many conflicts."
source: https://www.sohu.com/a/922828988_12...k3_308_NDdFbm_1_fd.6.1754881130801Rp1pKh7_324

"In order to change technology, the Pakistani side actually let the Turkish side copy the KLJ-7A radar operation protocol of AVIC!"
source: https://www.163.com/dy/article/K7O2PIGT0556F10F_pdya11y.html

The reason China is releasing this information through unofficial media is to leave Pakistan some room to save face.
If China’s official channels were to release it directly, that would be a blatant slap in the face to the Pakistani government.It would directly affect the balanced cooperation between the two sides.

 

[alphapak]

If reverse engineering was easy then India would be making their own fighter
jets instead buying them from other Countries.

Why don't the Indians reverse engineer the Rafale? or the meteor missiles
instead of buying? The J35 that will be based in Pakistan will have Chinese
staff at the base just like PAF has Americans at theF16 bases.

 

[royalharris]

If reverse engineering was easy then India would be making their own fighter
jets instead buying them from other Countries.

Why don't the Indians reverse engineer the Rafale? or the meteor missiles
instead of buying? The J35 that will be based in Pakistan will have Chinese
staff at the base just like PAF has Americans at theF16 bases.

This is not the model China wants. What China hopes for is to respect Pakistan and give Pakistan greater autonomy; at the same time, Pakistan should also respect China’s interests and prevent certain shameless countries from using China-Pakistan cooperation as a means to steal Chinese technology.

Much of China’s cooperation with Pakistan involves technology transfer, and even assistance in building production lines, which has further provided certain shameless countries with a shortcut to steal Chinese technology.