PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Oscar]

If you are not lazy like me study the military procurements of Pakistan since fifties....... Pakistan seldom pays for her military goodies , even her nuclear weapons program was financed by friends .....you are a legend without legendary tales .

Part of not being lazy is not take trends from the 50s or even 5 years ago as gospel - which means the alleged financing is no longer guaranteed either.

 

[Oscar]

We don’t even know when the PLANA J-35 will go into mass production let alone if there is more than one J-31!

The simulator and systems training for the aircraft do exist. The NGAD was “flown” in “combat” before a single component was procured or built.

But in this context a similar approach was taken on training JF-17 pilots before the real deal became available.

The issue isn’t so much availability of articles but the production ramp up.

As you so rightly point out - there is the J-35 and the this variant all needing to go on the same production line(with associated jigs and other aspects to set up) before you can start churning them out.

 

[warking2005]

Hopefully we get like 2 squadrons of em.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

What I am going to say, many will take it as going into tangent of what we are discussing here.

I have been at loggerheads with my own section of society for decades who consider themselves liberals, those who happen to enjoy power in Pakistan, and those who take right wing as bunch of idiots, fearmongers, religious fanatics and what not. Been saying to these lot, that you can dismiss your own faith, your own prophecies as fables, atleast for your own sake and for your countrymen , look and understand who is occupying the power among your enemy nations, their motives and what is driving them. Atleast prepare! wallahi, whatever is happening in the earth stretching from Pakistan western border to the Mediterranean , is driven solely by opposite camp firm belief in their faith, their dogmas , and yes, their prophecies.

This problem of liberals is more pronounced in Turkey I am afraid. I hope and pray, atleast they all come to their senses pretty soon, in Pakistan, in Turkey and throughout the Muslim world.

Democracy is to be preserved but not to be practiced - A monologue from the movie, The Crimson Tide

Hence, you require a patriotic and honest Deep State with meritocracy. Thankfully, even the Turkish main opposition leader from the secular and liberal backgrounds has now publicly accepted that her Deep State is now at the helms...

 

[LeGenD]

If you are not lazy like me study the military procurements of Pakistan since fifties....... Pakistan seldom pays for her military goodies , even her nuclear weapons program was financed by friends .....you are a legend without legendary tales .

Pakistan's official spending on defense was increased to Rs. 1.8 Trillion in 2024. Everybody knows that this is a grossly understated figure in books; Pakistan's spending on defense is at USD 10 billion mark in 2024. How the military generate revenue is well-known as well. Those friends might have financed some projects but at what cost? Everything is for free or loans are to be repaid? I had been a pro-military commentator and posted a lengthy thread about my Pakistan's defense wish list in the older forum (private section). I also mentioned aircraft carrier in my wish list. But man... 5th generation fighter jet program is a huge investment with the potential to trigger an arms race that be will out of control. India is a huge country with much bigger economy and it is opening up to the world's largest OECD bloc for investments. Think about it.

5th generation fighter jet program is not a need but overspending in view of Pakistan's profound problems in other areas that are most likely to determine Pakistan's sustainability in the future.

I wish the kids dying inside Gaza would appreciate this too...

Pakistan is a well-armed nuclear power. There is no comparison between Pakistan and Gaza. While Hamas has become a well-equipped and brave fighting force, Pakistan does not face existential crisis like Palestine from another state. But there is much to fix in Pakistan for it to endure long-term; most of the problems stem from corruption and misplaced priorities.

I am all for having good defense but projects should be carefully timed and in lock step with improvements in other areas for which Good Governance is needed. There is the right time for everything.

While that is an argument, Pakistan cannot change its neighbors and must find a way to co-exist with them peacefully in the long-term. It is not sensible to be fighting with Afghans and Indians all the time.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Pakistan's official spending on defense was increased to Rs. 1.8 Trillion in 2024. Everybody knows that this is a grossly understated figure in books; Pakistan's spending on defense is at USD 10 billion mark in 2024. How the military generate revenue is well-known as well. Those friends might have financed some projects but at what cost? Everything is for free or loans are to be repaid? I had been a pro-military commentator and posted a lengthy thread about my Pakistan's defense wish list in the older forum (private section). I also mentioned aircraft carrier in my wish list. But man... 5th generation fighter jet program is a huge investment with the potential to trigger an arms race that be will out of control. India is a huge country with much bigger economy and it is opening up to the world's largest OECD bloc for investments. Think about it.

5th generation fighter jet program is not a need but overspending in view of Pakistan's profound problems in other areas that are most likely to determine Pakistan's sustainability in the future.


Pakistan is a well-armed nuclear power. There is no comparison between Pakistan and Gaza. While Hamas has become a well-equipped and brave fighting force, Pakistan does not face existential crisis like Palestine from another state. But there is much to fix in Pakistan for it to endure long-term; most of the problems stem from corruption and misplaced priorities.

I am all for having good defense but projects should be carefully timed and in lock step with improvements in other areas for which Good Governance is needed. There is the right time for everything.

While that is an argument, Pakistan cannot change its neighbors and must find a way to co-exist with them peacefully in the long-term. It is not sensible to be fighting with Afghans and Indians all the time.

Bharat's gaining more financial muscle may be the cause for this preemptive strike of acquiring these 5th gen capabilities by the PAF! An early bird gets the worm...

 

[UserUsing]

Pakistan's official spending on defense was increased to Rs. 1.8 Trillion in 2024. Everybody knows that this is a grossly understated figure in books; Pakistan's spending on defense is at USD 10 billion mark in 2024. How the military generate revenue is well-known as well. Those friends might have financed some projects but at what cost? Everything is for free or loans are to be repaid? I had been a pro-military commentator and posted a lengthy thread about my Pakistan's defense wish list in the older forum (private section). I also mentioned aircraft carrier in my wish list. But man... 5th generation fighter jet program is a huge investment with the potential to trigger an arms race that be will out of control. India is a huge country with much bigger economy and it is opening up to the world's largest OECD bloc for investments. Think about it.

5th generation fighter jet program is not a need but overspending in view of Pakistan's profound problems in other areas that are most likely to determine Pakistan's sustainability in the future.


Pakistan is a well-armed nuclear power. There is no comparison between Pakistan and Gaza. While Hamas has become a well-equipped and brave fighting force, Pakistan does not face existential crisis like Palestine from another state. But there is much to fix in Pakistan for it to endure long-term; most of the problems stem from corruption and misplaced priorities.

I am all for having good defense but projects should be carefully timed and in lock step with improvements in other areas for which Good Governance is needed. There is the right time for everything.

While that is an argument, Pakistan cannot change its neighbors and must find a way to co-exist with them peacefully in the long-term. It is not sensible to be fighting with Afghans and Indians all the time.

You are focusing on India only which is a mistake. Perhaps the decision makers are anticipating potential hostility from a country which already operates 5th Gen aircrafts? Considering the amount of global conflicts happening, maybe the decision makers are preparing for a WW3 like scenario - although I hope it doesn't occur!

A combination of 5th gen fighters and drones would prove very potent for defending the country, and there is no price for safety. Also note the fact, Pakistan has not invested much in equipping the ground forces in recent years. There seems to be a focus on missile technology and air defense.

I also think the said training is being done on the simulators right now, rather than actual aircrafts. I also anticipate that just like J10C induction, we will see limited numbers of J31 in the beginning. Mainly obtained for deterrence and keeping advisories away from any adventures.

 

[Oscar]

You are focusing on India only which is a mistake. Perhaps the decision makers are anticipating potential hostility from a country which already operates 5th Gen aircrafts? Considering the amount of global conflicts happening, maybe the decision makers are preparing for a WW3 like scenario - although I hope it doesn't occur!

A combination of 5th gen fighters and drones would prove very potent for defending the country, and there is no price for safety. Also note the fact, Pakistan has not invested much in equipping the ground forces in recent years. There seems to be a focus on missile technology and air defense.

I also think the said training is being done on the simulators right now, rather than actual aircrafts. I also anticipate that just like J10C induction, we will see limited numbers of J31 in the beginning. Mainly obtained for deterrence and keeping advisories away from any adventures.

Any other country with advanced capabilities has no need for military intervention in Pakistan as their intelligence investments are enough to get the entire state to stand upside down on its head while juggling plates on its toes.

India is the only peer type threat - all other threats are asymmetric and gaining ground as well.

 

[arjunk]

While that is an argument, Pakistan cannot change its neighbors and must find a way to co-exist with them peacefully in the long-term. It is not sensible to be fighting with Afghans and Indians all the time.

While that is an argument, Pakistan cannot change its neighbors and must find a way to co-exist with them peacefully in the long-term. It is not sensible to be fighting with Afghans and Indians all the time.

Pakistan has offered India a nuclear free zone, a missile free zone, an anti arms race treaty, etc. etc. - All denied by India

Pakistan has offered India to settle Kashmir peacefully in line with UN resolutions - India refused

Pakistan had civil war in its eastern enclave- India invaded and dismembered Pakistan, and would've come for West Pakistan if they eliminated PAF.

India mobilised its entire army in the late 80s and tried to take over Pakistan again, stopped only by Zia's nuclear blackmail.

Do I really need to get started on Afghanistan?

At some point you need to realise our neighbours are (pardon my french) simply retarded and unwilling to give up their wet dreams of invading and annexing our territory.

 

[MirageBlue]

As i have said this in my initial posts, the fighters will be added before Dec 2026. a total of 6-8 squadrons will be added

6 to 8 squadrons.

That's a total of 120 to 160 with reserves.

Did Pakistan figure out how to pay China close to USD 10-16 billion for these many J-31s?

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Pakistan Air Force will be the first Air Force in the South Asian region which will operate atleast 4x squadrons of the 5th Generation J-31 Gyr Falcon.

 

[mythbuster]

Pakistan's official spending on defense was increased to Rs. 1.8 Trillion in 2024. Everybody knows that this is a grossly understated figure in books; Pakistan's spending on defense is at USD 10 billion mark in 2024. How the military generate revenue is well-known as well. Those friends might have financed some projects but at what cost? Everything is for free or loans are to be repaid? I had been a pro-military commentator and posted a lengthy thread about my Pakistan's defense wish list in the older forum (private section). I also mentioned aircraft carrier in my wish list. But man... 5th generation fighter jet program is a huge investment with the potential to trigger an arms race that be will out of control. India is a huge country with much bigger economy and it is opening up to the world's largest OECD bloc for investments. Think about it.

5th generation fighter jet program is not a need but overspending in view of Pakistan's profound problems in other areas that are most likely to determine Pakistan's sustainability in the future.


Pakistan is a well-armed nuclear power. There is no comparison between Pakistan and Gaza. While Hamas has become a well-equipped and brave fighting force, Pakistan does not face existential crisis like Palestine from another state. But there is much to fix in Pakistan for it to endure long-term; most of the problems stem from corruption and misplaced priorities.

I am all for having good defense but projects should be carefully timed and in lock step with improvements in other areas for which Good Governance is needed. There is the right time for everything.

While that is an argument, Pakistan cannot change its neighbors and must find a way to co-exist with them peacefully in the long-term. It is not sensible to be fighting with Afghans and Indians all the time.

You are making a fifth generation fighter as if it's a rare diamond laced necklace that only the royalties can afford......you are making a mountain out of the molehill .....let's keep the price of J 31 at the top end say it's 100 million $ a piece .....60 aircraft 6 billions... you are not going to pay this money upfront . Spread it over 20 years , it comes to 300 million a year , it's peanuts......PAF has excellent physical and intellectual infrastructure to absorb the plane without incurring heavy expenses....

 

[studsmart]

You are making a fifth generation fighter as if it's a rare diamond laced necklace that only the royalties can afford......you are making a mountain out of the molehill .....let's keep the price of J 31 at the top end say it's 100 million $ a piece .....60 aircraft 6 billions... you are not going to pay this money upfront . Spread it over 20 years , it comes to 300 million a year , it's peanuts......PAF has excellent physical and intellectual infrastructure to absorb the plane without incurring heavy expenses....

100 planes are targeting to be made at PAC, so more than 65% cost will be in rupees and rest are in exchange yuan. Most probably no dollar involve in this transaction. Nothing that the PAF budget cannot absorb over the next 10-20 years.

 

[studsmart]

Pakistan Air Force will be the first Air Force in the South Asian region which will operate atleast 4x squadrons of the 5th Generation J-31 Gyr Falcon.
the question is when?

 

[LeGenD]

You are making a fifth generation fighter as if it's a rare diamond laced necklace that only the royalties can afford......you are making a mountain out of the molehill .....let's keep the price of J 31 at the top end say it's 100 million $ a piece .....60 aircraft 6 billions... you are not going to pay this money upfront . Spread it over 20 years , it comes to 300 million a year , it's peanuts......PAF has excellent physical and intellectual infrastructure to absorb the plane without incurring heavy expenses....

Mate, do you think that these aircraft are like furniture that can be bought at a fixed price per unit and put in hangers and that's it? What about costs of development, training, maintenance, repairs, supply of spare parts, and weapons? The maintenance part alone will be a headache due to costs of maintaining increasingly sophisticated engines and extremely sensitive RAM application(s). Pakistan needs advanced infrastructure to maintain a fleet of J-31. Then there is the question of how good this jet is because China is lacking in development of stealth aircraft in comparison to the US.

Where is the feasibility report of this project? Where is the proof that this project will have no impact on Pakistan's fragile economic situation? The military continues to add to expenses while the country is facing sustainability challenges and borrows from others to make ends meet. A lot can happen in 20 years that might not suit Pakistan. India also has a convenient counter to this induction in case you forgot. You have very simple thinking.

Pakistan defense should be practical and put under civilian academic oversight to understand how it affects Pakistan's economic situation like in developed countries. Otherwise, Pakistan is well on its way to becoming North Korea 2.0 due to hubris of generals. But they seem to have a virtually endless supply of patrons to encourage them. Meanwhile Pakistan is losing bright minds to foreign countries. Keep it up.