PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

People need to understand that it's one thing to have a platform fully ready and it's another thing for them to be exported.

Let's assume J-31/J-35 was already fully developed, that does not mean it could be incorporated into any Air Force other than the Chinese, because there are a lot of sustainment operation you need to do in order to operate it, it's not just China dumping these fighter in Pakistan and tell you to deal with it.

Then it come the economic issue, would China give these fighter to Pakistan for free? These airframe is by no mean cheap, and you would need the entire sustainment model whether or not you have 4 airframes or 40, so the notion of China just "gifting" some airframe to Pakistan is probably going to be illogical, because you still need to establish an entire food chain for the platform. From pilot management, inventory management to logistic sustainment. And those cost are exponentially more expensive than just a couple of airframe

On the other hand, the entire development of J-31 is in question here, you need more than 1 prototype because every time you try to make a progress in its development, you will need to make a new prototype, A-10 made a single prototype from switching from 20mm to 30mm gatling gun.......And there are no point to make a prototype if you are not flying it, and if you fly it, people are going to know, gone is the day when you can just close off airspace and you can keep the development secret. If there are more of them then people are going to know, and wave are going to make, nothing is known highly suggested said item does not exist.

Can China be developing the entire project in absolute secrecy? Sure, but the chances are the bigger the project is, the more people will know, so that chance is more align to the chance I hit the lotto tomorrow. And some one mention we only know about F-22 in 1997 when they enter service when they are developed in 1988. If we are talking about what an F-22 actually look like, yes, it only show up in 1997 when we know what it was, but the public had known the Advance Tactical Fighter program (Which the F-22 came from) at least since early 1990
 
Yes, but this "official announcement" is just an "official announcement" in the meaning it exists and is progressing! To conclude "official announcement" means these are production aircraft, it is entering service soon or has already are not possible!
These pictures show:
PLA Navy soldiers are conducting a maintenance competition for the J35 (not officially named yet, I am temporarily using this code) fighter jet. There is a J35 pilot watching nearby.

This indicates that J35 has passed the PLA Navy's acceptance and entered formal production. From a regular timeline analysis, a small number of official versions of J35 have already entered the PLA Navy's carrier based aircraft training base (Xingcheng Base). At some point this year, a small number of J35s will board the Fujian aircraft carrier.

It is expected that the Fujian aircraft carrier will be equipped with various military aircraft such as J15T, J35, KJ600, JL10J, etc. The large-scale installation of J35 will take at least a few more years.

However, according to PLA tradition, the official announcement will be made on a special day. So, I don't know exactly when it will be announced.
 
Your splitting hairs now and being pedantic to try and win an argument. Safe to assume Mush was at the very highest levels of military decision making back then. There was a lot of talk of J-10 and it come to nothing for 12 years. Can be possoible for J-31, although my guess (like everyone else who is guessing) is that it will be 2028-2030
Mush was trying to push lot of things on PAF, they kept refusing. Yes he was at highest level of authority but unlike todays guy he knew when to back off. PAF till Sohail Aman wasn't interested in J 10 at all.
 
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This is big big claim from former Pakistan air chief
Let's assume j31 arrives in 4 years and by 2030 they have 30/40 j31 inservuce alongside their recent 24 j10c

To my Indian friends no fancy wishlist just reality if what India should do and is achievable right now and upto 2030 to answer this threat
With whom avd what can India do to answer both this threat and Chinese j20


Congrats Pakistan,

on paper Su-57 or Rafael are the only option available to India to counter it.

India has its own 5th Gen Fighter project, AMCA, so no need for hurry in importing 5th Gen fighter to counter Chinese 5th Gen Fighters. Instead of importing I think India should invest/work on not only building 5th gen fighter, but also in its tracking as future air battles will depend on tracking & countering it.
 
Mush was trying to push lot of things on PAF, they kept refusing. Yes he was at highest level of authority but unlike todays guy he knew when to back off. PAF till Sohail Aman wasn't interested in J 10 at all.

Sorry, these sounds too much like hearsay
 
Mush was trying to push lot of things on PAF, they kept refusing. Yes he was at highest level of authority but unlike todays guy he knew when to back off. PAF till Sohail Aman wasn't interested in J 10 at all.

Not true. PAF was interested in the J10 much earlier.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-expands-military-ties-with-pakistan/

Additionally, Pakistan is currently negotiating the purchase of between 35 to 40 of the J-10 fighter planes which is one of the most advanced fighter planes produced by China
 
Congrats Pakistan,

on paper Su-57 or Rafael are the only option available to India to counter it.

India has its own 5th Gen Fighter project, AMCA, so no need for hurry in importing 5th Gen fighter to counter Chinese 5th Gen Fighters. Instead of importing I think India should invest/work on not only building 5th gen fighter, but also in its tracking as future air battles will depend on tracking & countering it.

You are right here, but right now India has 5 different competing fighter projects. Turkey and SoKo are examples of how fast you can proceed bu just focusing on one project. If they can do it so can India. issue is resources being stretched in many directions and of course project management by HAL (Or the 4th branch of Pakistan's military as many are nicknaming it!)
 
These pictures show:
PLA Navy soldiers are conducting a maintenance competition for the J35 (not officially named yet, I am temporarily using this code) fighter jet. There is a J35 pilot watching nearby.

This indicates that J35 has passed the PLA Navy's acceptance and entered formal production. From a regular timeline analysis, a small number of official versions of J35 have already entered the PLA Navy's carrier based aircraft training base (Xingcheng Base). At some point this year, a small number of J35s will board the Fujian aircraft carrier.

It is expected that the Fujian aircraft carrier will be equipped with various military aircraft such as J15T, J35, KJ600, JL10J, etc. The large-scale installation of J35 will take at least a few more years.

However, according to PLA tradition, the official announcement will be made on a special day. So, I don't know exactly when it will be announced.


Interesting, a friend of mine gave me a different explanation: Per his understanding these are enthusiastic & ambitious cadets or "PLA Navy soldiers [are] conducting a maintenance competition" to express their joy & pride towars their new fighter, but it cannot be read as the "J35 has passed the PLA Navy's acceptance and entered formal production"!
 
That he didn't. But as it was an Air Chief and historically when our chiefs mention an induction it's not 5 to 6 years away, in most cases from few months to two years at best.
But Air Chief didn't say that J31 is coming from FEW MONTHS TO TWO YEARS either 🤔 😕

So kindly provide me/us the source/sources of your claim is it from official sources like PAF/SAC/Chinese DoD/PAK DoD or some click bait social media sources like YouTube/X/Facebook and Instagram etc etc etc

Whith a current status of J31 project it's least likely to Pakistan Airforce can't able to get J31 within two years or so?

So @Zarvan please provide reputable and solid proofs that J31 will come within two years so
 
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Over the past 70 years, there have been several episodes between the two countries.

PAF had the advantage until 1960's, 1970's - balance was achieved, 1980's - PAF gained the advantage by having F16 fighters, 1990's - IAF gained the advantage with BVR until PAF received block 52 of F 16's.

There was a balance state until the burst was introduced and the PAF followed, but Rafale still has advantages-

When J31 is inducted by PAF - it will have an advantage over IAF - but when it will be inducted and when to counter-banalaced by IAF is the question now.

Still not sure - how he calculated 14 years
Ignore CombatCorner buddy he's one of the few fanboys who thinks J31 is coming in Dec 2026 and we also have another fanboy named Zarvan who thinks same thing
 
Interesting, a friend of mine gave me a different explanation: Per his understanding these are enthusiastic & ambitious cadets or "PLA Navy soldiers [are] conducting a maintenance competition" to express their joy & pride towars their new fighter, but it cannot be read as the "J35 has passed the PLA Navy's acceptance and entered formal production"!
Conventional operation process of PLA weapons and equipment:
1. Design phase: The military proposes requirements, the design unit conducts design, and the testing unit conducts relevant tests. This stage will involve repeated communication.
2. Testing and improvement phase: Conducted by multiple units such as the testing team, test flight team, and design team. The military will send military technical engineers to intervene at this stage, but they will not interfere too much.
3. Military testing: led by the military, with cooperation from other units. Before the military testing begins, the early engineering team of the military is formed, basic theoretical learning is conducted, and mature/standardized component maintenance learning is carried out.
4. Standardized production: During the waiting period for military testing and the first batch of production, the first batch of military installation units begin the training of operational personnel (operators, maintenance personnel, new tactical commanders, etc.), and usually receive training in advance.
5. First Equipment: Soldiers who received previous training will become the first users of these new equipment. They conduct high-intensity and high-risk training for a certain period of time, summarize lessons learned, revise previous training plans, and even make minor changes to weapons and equipment. Develop a new teaching syllabus, utilize the new syllabus, and provide large-scale training for personnel.
6. Batch installation.
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There are many Chinese terms here, and machine translation may be difficult to understand. There's nothing we can do, let's just watch.
 
I'm not sure how other countries do it.

PLA has no shortage of troops. In China, serving in the military is a very honorable thing, and your family will also enjoy many special treatments because of it. Many young people want to join the military. PLA currently selects the best young people to become warriors.

So, the rule of PLA is: 'Only personnel can wait for equipment, equipment is prohibited from waiting for personnel'

PLA Navy ordinary soldiers participate in the J35 maintenance competition, indicating that the PLA Navy has completed the training of multiple maintenance teams. The purpose of the competition is to screen and inspect. They are about to start maintenance work on J35.

The pilot's appearance in the camera is not accidental, indicating that the J35 pilot is ready.

So, J35 is coming soon ..........This is really 'coming soon..........'
 
Ignore CombatCorner buddy he's one of the few fanboys who thinks J31 is coming in Dec 2026 and we also have another fanboy named Zarvan who thinks same thing
Abey idiot, why are you dragging unrelated topics in this thread.
Did I or anyone else mentioned the J-31 timescale other than discuss on OP.
 
I'm not sure how other countries do it.

PLA has no shortage of troops. In China, serving in the military is a very honorable thing, and your family will also enjoy many special treatments because of it. Many young people want to join the military. PLA currently selects the best young people to become warriors.

So, the rule of PLA is: 'Only personnel can wait for equipment, equipment is prohibited from waiting for personnel'

PLA Navy ordinary soldiers participate in the J35 maintenance competition, indicating that the PLA Navy has completed the training of multiple maintenance teams. The purpose of the competition is to screen and inspect. They are about to start maintenance work on J35.

The pilot's appearance in the camera is not accidental, indicating that the J35 pilot is ready.

So, J35 is coming soon ..........This is really 'coming soon..........'



I think China will have a nice "surprise" for the USA by having a mixed airwing of J-35s and J-15s on the Type-003 carrier when it is commissioned in 2026.
 

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