PAF SAM based Air Defense System - News, Discussion & Updates

[Khanivore]

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[iblini]

Can you name and describe some of these new anti drone systems?

The three systems that are under mass production for PLA combined lightweight brigade,
QW5-A10 laser system, FB-10A SHORD, 35mm gun.

This is the "Companion UGV" for the HQ-17AE SHORAD batteries...

This is also a very ideal system.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

The three systems that are under mass production for PLA combined lightweight brigade,
QW5-A10 laser system, FB-10A SHORD, 35mm gun.

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This is also a very ideal system.

@Bilal @Quwa @Arsalan45 what you think of these systems?

 

[PakistaniDefender]

PN-focused episode on June 13th.

Please do also discuss on the need for Long Range SAMs for PN assets. Like having Type 052Ds for protection against missiles like brahmos

 

[PakistaniDefender]

We have known about BrahMos since 2016 but we were caught with our pants down. We had no effective defence against them (most of them got through) and we did not have our own version to fire back at India.

Will we be prepared for BrahMos 2?

How will we target BrahMos 2 launch sites scattered throughout India on the far side of India?

Are you sure most of them got through? Analysts here did said that most were intercepted

 

[Sparten]

Yea GIDS LOMADS was in testing, not sure if they deployed it during escalation.

Extremely unlikely it was deployed. That said I expect it to be rushed into service even if it doesn't fully meet all the GSR parameters initially. And I expect SMASH to also be given a ground variant.

 

[Sparten]

Episode 1 is up. We'll go into the BrahMos and how to stop it in Ep 2, will be out on Friday June 06th, with a PN-focused episode on June 13th.

Indo-Pak Conflict | The Fight Pakistan Wanted vs What It Got

Our analysts discuss how while Pakistan’s newly acquired HQ-9BEs from China helped, its air defence system had trouble stopping the BrahMos.

quwa.org

Re industrial capacity. I will note Fatah is pretty new as well and we expended a lot. Also for some system we seem to have contracted it out to private enterprise, see REK.

Excellent podcast.

 

[Sparten]

Couple of points:
1. You need Intel on the seeker and software to be able to design EW based counter measures. In this regard seekers of models landed during this conflict may be useful. But keep in mind these were old models and stocks.
2. We hear about espionage about Brahmos all the time, which makes me think that we are actively working on ECM targeted at Brahmos. This may be the reason for the ones we soft killed this month.

Could we use SMASH as a BrahMos style system, ionce it comes onlne.
Could Babar handle supersonic terminal phase, say it he flight profile is changed to a diving attack from high altitude.

 

[Developereo]

Are you sure most of them got through? Analysts here did said that most were intercepted

I have heard conflicting claims from the Pakistan side itself. My guess is that we intercepted the lower tech intrusions but most of the BrahMos made it through.

 

[Bilal]

@Bilal @Quwa @Arsalan45 what you think of these systems?

I think indigenous solution should be worked on for this tier. We have C-UAS radars, we make manpads, we should get capabilities for 35mm (we already make ammo for it).

Rest is system integration. Add CUAS jammers and spoofers and you have a full spectrum system.

 

[farooqbhai]

Extremely unlikely it was deployed. That said I expect it to be rushed into service even if it doesn't fully meet all the GSR parameters initially. And I expect SMASH to also be given a ground variant.

Could we use SMASH as a BrahMos style system, ionce it comes onlne.
Could Babar handle supersonic terminal phase, say it he flight profile is changed to a diving attack from high altitude.

You are wrong on both points here. Won't elaborate on lomad one. But P282/Smash is literally Fatah 2/3 naval variant.
Additionally Brahmos alternative would be a supersonic cruise missile that might be tested soon.

 

[Mohid Afzal]

You are wrong on both points here. Won't elaborate on lomad one. But P282/Smash is literally Fatah 2/3 naval variant.
Additionally Brahmos alternative would be a supersonic cruise missile that might be tested soon.

don't mind me questioning this but LOMADS and FAAZ-SL are still being worked on right? I really us to have our own home grown SAM systems.

 

[Sparten]

You are wrong on both points here. Won't elaborate on lomad one. But P282/Smash is literally Fatah 2/3 naval variant.
Additionally Brahmos alternative would be a supersonic cruise missile that might be tested soon.

There might be similarities with the origins of the rocket motor, but it has things like terminal guidance, bigger warhead, no ballistic trajectory.
as for LOMAD, that's speculation, but AFAIK its far from induction, though that might be brought forward now.

 

[Sparten]

I have heard conflicting claims from the Pakistan side itself. My guess is that we intercepted the lower tech intrusions but most of the BrahMos made it through.

Twitter has lots of videos of interceptions, and debris.

 

[Bentley777]

India attacked again because Pakistan kept saying retaliation is yet to come. Aka firing some fatah rockets.

India once knew that Pakistan was not interested in early ceasefire started firing cruise missiles.

My understanding was pak army wanted to engage them all along LOC and make as many as possible casulaties on them during the short window thats why we saw SH-15 rapid deployment in this confict before even india attack but we had to respond with fattah because they attacked pak bases even in that we showed restraint that suggest even if india didnot attacked our air bases we would not have fired fattah 1 but would have engaged them all along loc as i said.