PAF SAM based Air Defense System - News, Discussion & Updates

[Ak01]

@farooqbhai @Panzerkiel what is the status on the GIDs Lomads and faaz sl programs?

id say wait for ideas, im expecting an unveiling

 

[Hybrid]

all i know nothing was hit no runaway no support building sure it may have landed on a field nearby because of soft kill methods , just like it it did at nur khan base

What softkill method do PAF use?
Nothing is hit on nur khan??
Videos I have seen has multiple impacts

 

[hasssanali8998]

Nothing is hit on nur khan??

nothing of value was hit , if you can claim hit on nur khan than iran can claim hit on mossad hq . it was a road outside the base if i remember correctly at nur khan don't know about their ADs , i was just speculating about soft kill , but Rafique had 0 hits that i can confirm and according to members here Rafique uses Spada 2000 and hq16 and there are videos of interception at Rafique .

 

[CSAW]

 

[Cipher212]

What softkill method do PAF use?
Nothing is hit on nur khan??
Videos I have seen has multiple impacts

There were two trucks which were supposed to be mobile command centres. Those were destroyed. However it's not clear if they were deployed or a work in progress

 

[farooqbhai]

Imo they will likely pair-up with mature platform for good situational awareness, but also with indigenous one for secondary role

Nope only local radars

 

[Toxic]

Nope only local radars

Is the Lomads going to use the FAAZ 2? I wonder how far along they are in developing the missile itself

 

[puttputt]

Is the Lomads going to use the FAAZ 2? I wonder how far along they are in developing the missile itself

No, a different missile.

Just looking at the illustration, LoMADS looks like DK-10 (used as the Sky Dragon 50), but none of us have seen the actual missile, so we don't know yet. In fact, the specifications don't line up,

That said, being derived from the DK-10 wouldn't be a bad thing. The DK-10 is based on the SD-10, and the FAAZ appears to be a license-built variant of the SD-10 as well.

So, license-producing DK-10 and SD-10 indicate that NESCOM is working with a common platform, which is a good thing. It means scaling production will be easier, and the desire to indigenize is greater (as there's a deliberate focus on a single platform, rather than assembling a hodgepodge).

We need these FAAZ SL and LoMADS types of SAMs in large numbers to densify and distribute our air defence coverage. Whatever makes them easier to build at scale in Pakistan is a good thing, including standardized platforms.

 

[Toxic]

No, a different missile.

Just looking at the illustration, LoMADS looks like DK-10 (used as the Sky Dragon 50), but none of us have seen the actual missile, so we don't know yet. In fact, the specifications don't line up,

That said, being derived from the DK-10 wouldn't be a bad thing. The DK-10 is based on the SD-10, and the FAAZ appears to be a license-built variant of the SD-10 as well.

So, license-producing DK-10 and SD-10 indicate that NESCOM is working with a common platform, which is a good thing. It means scaling production will be easier, and the desire to indigenize is greater (as there's a deliberate focus on a single platform, rather than assembling a hodgepodge).

We need these FAAZ SL and LoMADS types of SAMs in large numbers to densify and distribute our air defence coverage. Whatever makes them easier to build at scale in Pakistan is a good thing, including standardized platforms.

I wouldn't take those illustrations seriously, FAAZ 1 was basically a SD-10 but based of things like the specifications and Pakistan joining the Turkish A to A missile it would indicate that the FAAZ 2 is a completely new missile

 

[Ak01]

DK-10 (used as the Sky Dragon 50)

for what its worth, PAF was trying to integrate SD50 into Spada CIWS under the guise of a local system.

Good possibility that we could see just that too, with SD50 being that faaz sl or whatever

 

[Tomcats]

There is open source videos available a missile hiting the base (hit the target or not i dont know) surely it's not 100% interception

I haven't seen any, though feel free to share it if you have it on you.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Imran Khan sb

Wo sala bhi chor nikla uski dp kya lagay ab

Well, I didn't know who the gentleman in your DP was. But it seemed very much like Danny (the Bollywood actor) to be. I very much wondered why you would put Danny on your DP. But now I know!

Regards

 

[Toxic]

I haven't seen any, though feel free to share it if you have it on you.

It landed some distance away from the base and didn't explode, was probably spoofed that would still count as an interception, masroor was also targeted but I don't think any of them reached close to the base.

 

[ThoroughPro]

What softkill method do PAF use?
Nothing is hit on nur khan??
Videos I have seen has multiple impacts

For soft kills

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[Oscar]

There were two trucks which were supposed to be mobile command centres. Those were destroyed. However it's not clear if they were deployed or a work in progress

Not destroyed -
The trucks were there - IAF did get a position on them prior to 7th - then they were moved.
However, the trucks were also parked close to C-130 ramps and near the ramp there were also fuel truck(next to reported underground fuel tank)and servicing vehicle for C-130.
Brahmos to India's credit hit barely 20m offset from the target - its shock and splinter igniting a fire and explosion to fuel truck which then sprayed debris on C-130 wing and fuselage damaging it(subsequently repaired).
Fire from truck is what caused the burn for so long supposedly. Another reason citied for PAF fire fighting crews not putting it out is potential of fire hitting storage or C-130 causing secondary explosions(and potential causalities among firefighting crew).

So yes a bowser and another vehicle was lost - but the C2 asset was not in the area.
@side-winder could shed some more light.

India had already queued satellite overpasses for BDA from the strike which is why they could use the burning bowser for PR.