Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Toxic]

Posting this again since there was no response:

• Yesterday at 3:21 PM

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Now that at least the first phase of Operation Khyber is over, what is the tally ( question marks for confirmation).
Afghan losses :
1. 21 Afghan posts destroyed or captured ( approximate territory in sq.km including portions of Wakhan corridor? )
2. 6 T-55 tanks destroyed
3. MRAPs destroyed (?)
4. Communications vehicles, fuel tankers, mobile service vehicles destroyed (?)
5. Humvees destroyed (?)
6. F-150 converted pickups destroyed . (?)
7. M2 0.50 calibre machine guns and firing points destroyed.(?)
8. 20 mm auto-cannon on pick-up trucks or Humvees destroyed (?)
9 Miscellaneous IFVs ( Bradleys, BMPs ?, )
10 Drones downed (?)
11. Number of high value targets and TTP training camps hit in various Afghan cities
12. Cyber warfare damage to power distribution infrastructure
13. Total number of enemy combatants killed in action 200+ (?)
14. Total number of enemy combatants surrendered or captured?

we didn't go hard enough in targeting taliban logistics, after the US withdrawn they captured thousands of Humvee's and MRAPs turning them into a highly mechanized force, should have targeted fuel depots, also should have destroyed their helicopters to force taliban leaders to drive through IED's

 

[Liquidator]

we didn't go hard enough in targeting taliban logistics, after the US withdrawn they captured thousands of Humvee's and MRAPs turning them into a highly mechanized force, should have targeted fuel depots, also should have destroyed their helicopters to force taliban leaders to drive through IED's

It's no big deal.

It's like giving a bunch of monkeys Apache helicopter gunships. Good target practice.

Regards,

 

[RealNapster]

If KPK decided to invade Afghanistan, the rest of Pakistan would support you. Stop being so passive and know thy enemy.

I have a question.

If KPK is allowed to "invade" Afghanistan, is it also allowed to join it ?? Because last we heard was that the policies will be made in Islamabad, not jalalabad (or for that matter Peshawar. They wish).. atta tarar said this.

So if we won't allow KPK CM to negotiate with Afghanistan, because he "have no authority" to do so. How can he (or KP) invade Afghanistan ? And using what ? Peshawar police ?

 

[White Privilege]

we didn't go hard enough in targeting taliban logistics, after the US withdrawn they captured thousands of Humvee's and MRAPs turning them into a highly mechanized force, should have targeted fuel depots, also should have destroyed their helicopters to force taliban leaders to drive through IED's

I have maintained this from the start, forget static posts and barracks. The cave dwellers don't need them. Instead target the fuel depots and heavy vehicles. Immobilize them so the can't run away or rush us...

 

[krash]

In Islamic teachings, especially those derived from the Qur’an and Sunnah,

A side note. There's nothing Islamic about teachings that are not derived from the Qur'an and Sunnah. Just because a respected Islamic Scholar, or worse a random guy with a beard, says something it does not make it "Islamic".

the concept of Muslim unity (ummah) is emphasized — that Muslims are brothers and sisters in faith,

In faith, yes.

ideally forming a united community that transcends ethnic or national divisions. Verses such as:




reflect that ideal of unity.

It does not say that. In fact, it is not talking about Muslims at all. In this Surah, against the Quraish's ridicule of the Prophet (SAW), the Quran presents previous Prophets and their people from Ayat 48 to 91. In Ayaat 92, it says that they are all of the same ummah/religion, your ummah/religion. Then, in the next Ayat#93 it states that they have however now divided themselves into sects.

Pretty clear that this ayat is talking about the Christians, Jews, and other nations of previous Prophets mentioned in the preceding ayaat. It also leaves no confusion about this ayat not meaning anything towards how anyone should politically or administratively organize themselves. Brother, you can't take individual Ayaat and deduce any meaning. Neither can you add any meaning beyond what has been explicitly stated. Read it yourself and you'll see.

 

[Baibers_1260]

we didn't go hard enough in targeting taliban logistics, after the US withdrawn they captured thousands of Humvee's and MRAPs turning them into a highly mechanized force, should have targeted fuel depots, also should have destroyed their helicopters to force taliban leaders to drive through IED's

I don't think Humvees and MRAPS make a force "mechanized".

A dated concept in the era of drones and advanced ATGMs but the old concept was a mechanized division or armored division consisted of layers : , 1. heavy tanks, 2. light tanks or AFV ( BMP, BTR, Bradley ), 3. then armoured personnel carriers ( APC ) like M113 then last Humvees or Tigres . These vehicles are supported by recovery tractors, fuel tankers, repair trucks,

It is doubtful if the Taliban have the full compliment of equipment to make a mechanized/armored division. Do we know if the any Bradleys were left behind?
Humvees without armor or air support are dead meat for drones and ATGM crews. Pakistan wouldn't even need to deploy light tanks to take these out.

The question is why hasn't the bulk of the MRAPS and Humvees been taken out. Also to be taken out should be the workshops and spares depots.
At the moment the Humvees pose little threat beyond the 0.5 caliber M2 machine guns mounted, but should the Taliban get advanced ATGMS ( Javelins, Milans, ) they could rig these up to create problems for Pakistan. The depleted stocks of vintage RPG-7 are being used of course but these are easily countered with drones or long range sniper fire. When attacking Pakistan on the front the Taliban are not fighting a guerrilla war. In the open battlefield and firing from fixed defenses our FC/PA can handle anything the Taliban throw at us. Our 105 mm light artillery can easily take out a concentration of Humvees picked up by drones. Even the vintage 100 year old 25 pounders get a new capability when coupled with drone geo-location for targeting.
The question is why are the Taliban being allowed to "throw " anything at all.

 

[Toxic]

I don't think Humvees and MRAPS make a force "mechanized".

A dated concept in the era of drones and advanced ATGMs but the old concept was a mechanized division or armored division consisted of layers : , 1. heavy tanks, 2. light tanks or AFV ( BMP, BTR, Bradley ), 3. then armoured personnel carriers ( APC ) like M113 then last Humvees or Tigres . These vehicles are supported by recovery tractors, fuel tankers, repair trucks,

It is doubtful if the Taliban have the full compliment of equipment to make a mechanized/armored division. Do we know if the any Bradleys were left behind?
Humvees without armor or air support are dead meat for drones and ATGM crews. Pakistan wouldn't even need to deploy light tanks to take these out.

The question is why hasn't the bulk of the MRAPS and Humvees been taken out. Also to be taken out should be the workshops and spares depots.
At the moment the Humvees pose little threat beyond the 0.5 caliber M2 machine guns mounted, but should the Taliban get advanced ATGMS ( Javelins, Milans, ) they could rig these up to create problems for Pakistan. The depleted stocks of vintage RPG-7 are being used of course but these are easily countered with drones or long range sniper fire. When attacking Pakistan on the front the Taliban are not fighting a guerrilla war. In the open battlefield and firing from fixed defenses our FC/PA can handle anything the Taliban throw at us. Our 105 mm light artillery can easily take out a concentration of Humvees picked up by drones. Even the vintage 100 year old 25 pounders get a new capability when coupled with drone geo-location for targeting.
The question is why are the Taliban being allowed to "throw " anything at all.

I meant mechanized in terms of mobility, The focus should be on taking out logistics in general, that mobility allows them to mass at certain points along the border and overrun posts and checkpoints, also destruction of logistics makes it harder for them to fight against Insurgencies which can be beneficial for us if we want to support other groups

 

[Oscar]

Yar islamiyat ki classes TTA and TTP ko bhi de do. The religious fanaticism is destroying Pakistan.

Why do we assume they are learning anything to do with Islam? It is a ideological brainwashing mechanism based upon environment and childhood inculcation.

Now religion being taught as a core identity belief in the society these recruits come from they are more easy to manipulate through “agreeable suggestions”. Something that sounds like it’s Islam but isn’t.

Then there is another aspect - the assumption that these are all religious nutjobs is not always valid. Many are criminals taking up refuge and finding some “salvation/sanctuary” in the quasi religious motives.

With TTP - a few that were caught were found to be former criminals ranging from petty thieves from mid interior Punjab to former target killers from Karachi who usually ended up as senior commanders or experienced assassins. The foot soldiers may be dumb, but the leaders are pretty well trained , experienced and have motivations i which martyrdom isn’t on the list at all.

 

[Toxic]

Why do we assume they are learning anything to do with Islam? It is a ideological brainwashing mechanism based upon environment and childhood inculcation.

Now religion being taught as a core identity belief in the society these recruits come from they are more easy to manipulate through “agreeable suggestions”. Something that sounds like it’s Islam but isn’t.

Then there is another aspect - the assumption that these are all religious nutjobs is not always valid. Many are criminals taking up refuge and finding some “salvation/sanctuary” in the quasi religious motives.

With TTP - a few that were caught were found to be former criminals ranging from petty thieves from mid interior Punjab to former target killers from Karachi who usually ended up as senior commanders or experienced assassins. The foot soldiers may be dumb, but the leaders are pretty well trained , experienced and have motivations i which martyrdom isn’t on the list at all.

Bingo, this is also the reason the Americans went to extensive length to kill AQ Commanders no matter where they were, you can kill a thousand fodder and it won't matter they will just find 1000 more but you can't replace a commander with 25 years of guerilla experience, and this worked, AQ nowadays is a tiny shadow of itself.

 

[Oscar]

I meant mechanized in terms of mobility, The focus should be on taking out logistics in general, that mobility allows them to mass at certain points along the border and overrun posts and checkpoints, also destruction of logistics makes it harder for them to fight against Insurgencies which can be beneficial for us if we want to support other groups

The analogy you’re looking for is cold start. The ability to mobilize not just from a means of transportation but also their home base(which can be a village or group of tents barely 10 miles from the border) and respond.
Reducing armored vehicles for them would help but at the end their communication lines are so numerous that they either require constant monitoring or you need to flatten all “living spaces” to a buffer zone.

 

[Oscar]

Bingo, this is also the reason the Americans went to extensive length to kill AQ Commanders no matter where they were, you can kill a thousand fodder and it won't matter they will just find 1000 more but you can't replace a commander with 25 years of guerilla experience, and this worked, AQ nowadays is a tiny shadow of itself.

That is the old checkmate plan -
Kill the command and control nodes or kill commanders.
This is why Israel’s offensive on Iran was so successful - basically crippled the leadership.

 

[Expert]

Why do we assume they are learning anything to do with Islam? It is a ideological brainwashing mechanism based upon environment and childhood inculcation.

Now religion being taught as a core identity belief in the society these recruits come from they are more easy to manipulate through “agreeable suggestions”. Something that sounds like it’s Islam but isn’t.

Then there is another aspect - the assumption that these are all religious nutjobs is not always valid. Many are criminals taking up refuge and finding some “salvation/sanctuary” in the quasi religious motives.

With TTP - a few that were caught were found to be former criminals ranging from petty thieves from mid interior Punjab to former target killers from Karachi who usually ended up as senior commanders or experienced assassins. The foot soldiers may be dumb, but the leaders are pretty well trained , experienced and have motivations i which martyrdom isn’t on the list at all.

Even Mullah Umar and Usama bin laden Dajjal doesn't want to die at all. That's why they were running and hiding. While asking other to do suicide bombings.

 

[Blueishere]

Foreign Office Spokesperson Tahir Hussain Andrabi on Friday said that transit trade with Afghanistan would remain suspended for the foreseeable future till the current security situation was evaluated.


Questioned about the status of trade with Afghanistan during his maiden weekly press briefing, Andrabi said: “Afghan transit trade is closed, is not taking place. It is not taking place because of the factors that you were aware of. There was considerable discussion on this question during last week’s briefing as well. Till the evaluation of the security situation, this transit trade will remain closed.”

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He said there had been continuous attacks on trading points at the border from the Afghan side that killed Pakistanis, adding that the lives of citizens were “more important than any commodity trade”.


Andrabi added that Afghan soil should not be used for fomenting and sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan.

 

[kambhakt]

@Baibers_1260

Fairly comprehensive victory for PAK.

Regards

Victories are calculated by objectives achieved. Not tallying the losses on both sides.

 

[Dalit]

Victories are calculated by objectives achieved. Not tallying the losses on both sides.

You haven't seen anything yet. When Pakistan really begins taking out Indian funded Taliban, you will for sure know and fully understand.