Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[ARMalik]

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Meanwhile, cowardly Generals claiming to be a nuclear power are talking to these taliban terrorists. THESE TALKS ARE AN EXTREMELY SHAMEFUL CHAPTER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY!!

 

[r3alist]

Spot on. On the other hand, there are delulu folk who think Pakistan's strategic positions has never been stronger and that the US, China and GCC states have nothing better to do than to help the establishment without a public mandate to put out the many fires that it itself has started. The truth is that Pakistan has never before had so many fronts open where it is essentially on its own.

The number of fronts are the same

It's just that they have more intensity, that's it


And this was always inevitable

Technologies are improving, old stock is laying around close to expiry, resources are tightening, populations are increasing


The region is never not at peace, however with China at least Pakistan has a staunch super power. That is a relative increase in strength

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Owaiz sb

most countries don't care who rules in Afghanistan as long as the terrorist groups targeting their countries are kept under control and the TTA has done a good job of keeping the ISIS factions that target the important powers in check. No one wants to see more instability in Afghanistan.

That is very well argued and my understanding as well. The global powers, esp West and GCC have no interest in dismemberment of AFG. But the converse is also true- they will permit a two-front war by IND and AFG to undermine PAK, a fear being expressed by many Pakistani members here.

Regards

 

[Owaiz]

The number of fronts are the same

It's just that they have more intensity, that's it


And this was always inevitable

Technologies are improving, old stock is laying around close to expiry, resources are tightening, populations are increasing


The region is never not at peace, however with China at least Pakistan has a staunch super power. That is a relative increase in strength

Brother, no one can be taken for granted. China has been a staunch supporter in the past, but all actions have consequences. The brazen bootlicking of the Americans and offering them sweetheart deals on minerals, Pasni port, etc is not going unnoticed in Beijing. Ultimately, China is going to look out for its interests over those of Pakistan and China will prefer to have peace on the border with India, so that it can focus on its strategic objectives in the east, primarily retaking Taiwan.

 

[Dr khan]

Give this poor blok some weapons and organize him. Western countries and trump will be more then happy to help him out

The taliban experiment has fialed with flying colors

You can always get an affidavit from him about Pakistan territorial integrity

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[PakistanLVR]

Completely implausible scenario, especially for GB. Do you know what percentage of GB residents are dissidents? India has no sway there.

Someone tell him....GB is majority Shia. I'll take the ban for saying this, but Shias aren't your average low IQs sellouts masquerading as Sunnis/Muslims while in reality just a merry band of Racial nationalist radicals. GB fought for their freedom on their own and freely joined Pakistan. Even today - during my recent visit there, they are infused with passionate cries of "Azaderi" and willingness to fight for Muslims. Shias arent beholden to just their sect. After the Falastians, the Shias of the Middle East have suffered the second most defending. GB are highly educated and a beautiful people.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Meanwhile, cowardly Generals claiming to be a nuclear power are talking to these taliban terrorists. THESE TALKS ARE AN EXTREMELY SHAMEFUL CHAPTER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY!!

I have my own issues with them, but they are prioritizing the threats - and the Indians pose a much more strategic threat. In his latest video, Prawin Sawney basically told us that India will attempt to capture parts of Pakistan (GB or Sir Creek?) to force Pakistan to tow the line. The Indians have come to the conclusion that a subdue Pakistan is high up on their agenda to become a world power. With a strong Pakistan, means outsiders are not depended on a single regional power. Also, the Indians have study what the Azerbajianis and Israelis have done - capture territorries from their enemies. Once that occurs, the Indians will never leave them. I hope everyone in Pakistan understands that you are not dealing with a 1950s Nehru (who was impartial). You are dealing with an enemy that would absolutely murder your kids and women because he hates you from the core of his darken soul. This is a blood ritual same as what the Israelis are doing to the Falastinians.

 

[r3alist]

Brother, no one can be taken for granted. China has been a staunch supporter in the past, but all actions have consequences. The brazen bootlicking of the Americans and offering them sweetheart deals on minerals, Pasni port, etc is not going unnoticed in Beijing. Ultimately, China is going to look out for its interests over those of Pakistan and China will prefer to have peace on the border with India, so that it can focus on its strategic objectives in the east, primarily retaking Taiwan.

I think this is the wrong take, I do not believe China is a possessive ally and we attribute incorrect assumptions.

optics will not bother them, but of course their interests will be paramount to them

I believe that the Chinese actually welcome a softening between Pakistan and USA, because it helps Pakistan's viability and national strength

China also does not necessarily want Pakistan to put all its eggs in one basket, so diversification is not unwelcome.

Nothing tangible has really even happened between Pakistan and the USA anyway

 

[Owaiz]

I think this is the wrong take, I do not believe China is a possessive ally and we attribute incorrect assumptions.

optics will not bother them, but of course their interests will be paramount to them

I believe that the Chinese actually welcome a softening between Pakistan and USA, because it helps Pakistan's viability and national strength

China also does not necessarily want Pakistan to put all its eggs in one basket, so diversification is not unwelcome.

Nothing tangible has really even happened between Pakistan and the USA anyway

Just a thought experiment for you. Substitute Afghanistan for Pakistan, Pakistan for China and India for USA, and see if that makes sense to you.

China has supported Pakistan in the past because interests have usually aligned, but it is delusional to think China will sacrifice its own interests for Pakistan.

 

[Ak01]

but it is delusional to think China will sacrifice its own interests for Pakistan.

be careful, our friends on the forum will come at your throat, in their eyes china in ke baap ka naukar hai joh kuch bhi karnay ke liye tayyar hai...

 

[Silent_fighter]

I have my own issues with them, but they are prioritizing the threats - and the Indians pose a much more strategic threat. In his latest video, Prawin Sawney basically told us that India will attempt to capture parts of Pakistan (GB or Sir Creek?) to force Pakistan to tow the line. The Indians have come to the conclusion that a subdue Pakistan is high up on their agenda to become a world power. With a strong Pakistan, means outsiders are not depended on a single regional power. Also, the Indians have study what the Azerbajianis and Israelis have done - capture territorries from their enemies. Once that occurs, the Indians will never leave them. I hope everyone in Pakistan understands that you are not dealing with a 1950s Nehru (who was impartial). You are dealing with an enemy that would absolutely murder your kids and women because he hates you from the core of his darken soul. This is a blood ritual same as what the Israelis are doing to the Falastinians.

India does not have that will power, Pakistani people just over estimate them.
pakistanies are still living in Past, in 1948, 1965 and 1971 two ex british army soldiers faced each other they had same training same professionalism because both of their officer were ex british army soldier so Pakistan did not have any edge, but now situation is changed, there is no ex british raj officer anymore. for the very first time indigenous Indian and indigenous Pakistan army faced each other in Kargal, 2001 stand off, 2019 dog fight and 2025 conflict and we all have seen the result. Indian morale start crumbling once there is even small damages and casualties are being inflicted on them.
Their soldiers do not have will to fight nor they have risk appetite for a war where so many casualties are being inflicted.
Even Indian population can not hold their morale.
As long as they do not supersede us with huge technological gape Pakistan should not worry too much.
Indian as a nation do not have fighting sprit on the other hand paksitan have a battle hardened nation and military. Paksitan can crush India if we get out from our old mentality that we are fighting same professional brtish raj army which we fought in 1948,1965 and 1971, there military might be similar but our military after Zia is totally changed and now its more like ideological driven military. A secular army can not fight with ideological driven professional military where soldier is fighting for shahadat.

 

[PakistanLVR]

India does not have that will power, Pakistani people just over estimate them.
pakistanies are still living in Past, in 1948, 1965 and 1971 two ex british army soldiers faced each other they had same training same professionalism because both of their officer were ex british army soldier so Pakistan did not have any edge, but now situation is changed, there is no ex british raj officer anymore. for the very first time indigenous Indian and indigenous Pakistan army faced each other in Kargal, 2001 stand off, 2019 dog fight and 2025 conflict and we all have seen the result. Indian morale start crumbling once there is even small damages and casualties are being inflicted on them.
Their soldiers do not have will to fight nor they have risk appetite for a war where so many casualties are being inflicted.
Even Indian population can not hold their morale.
As long as they do not supersede us with huge technological gape Pakistan should not worry too much.
Indian as a nation do not have fighting sprit on the other hand paksitan have a battle hardened nation and military. Paksitan can crush India if we get out from our old mentality that we are fighting same professional brtish raj army which we fought in 1948,1965 and 1971.

With all due respect, you have no idea of what you're talking about.

Yeah let's not worry when they have actively attempted to subdue Pakistan brick by brick since 2016. Prawin Sawhney confirmed it that the Indians are behind TTP and BLA. They are building up the para-forces to conduct operations in Pakistan to keep it at the sub-nuclear level. Battle harden army? fighting spirit? You do understand its 2025 right? Economic might and mass propaganda are force multi-pliers. The Indians can turned their low IQ population into braver murderers just by showing non-stop propaganda about Pakistan - and they have.

Battle harden means nothing when you lack the will to fight and destroy the enemy. "restrain" is the cowards way of fighting.

 

[r3alist]

Just a thought experiment for you. Substitute Afghanistan for Pakistan, Pakistan for China and India for USA, and see if that makes sense to you.

China has supported Pakistan in the past because interests have usually aligned, but it is delusional to think China will sacrifice its own interests for Pakistan.

It doesn't make sense to me, why not make it clear

It seems incorrect to push this when the most senior Chinese leadership has constantly reiterated their commitment to Pakistan's integrity.


"One day...." A great many things could happen, do you angst over everything

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Silent_fighter

Indian as a nation do not have fighting sprit on the other hand paksitan have a battle hardened nation and military.

There is a fair truth in what you say. Only a small part of the Indian nation consists of martial race folks (Punjabis, Gurkhas, Marathas, some North Easterners etc) while the bulk of the Pakistani population (barring the Sindhis and Mohajirs) consists of martial race folks.

Regards

 

[Distant_Observer]

Openly backing their proxies now.

Much needed wipeout of their tv and radio stations.

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