Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[I*R*A]

the problem with the rest of pakistan is that they dont know what just happend from 2004 onward in these tribal areas. almost all malaks and local leaders who opposed these talibans since 2004 or either dead or they have left these areas and are now living in peshawar. lahore islamabad.
first, it is not as much easy as you think to fight these terrorist by local people and second, they say we have since 2004 informed state of these and either they did nothing or they harrassed us in turn. i am just qouting these people view as i live in peshawar and only ocassionally visit tirah once in few years. now for the first part i have myself seen mangal bagh convey 34 vehicles with more than 20 of them with machine gun installed on top of it? how can an ordinary local citizen fight these heavily armed militia? for the second part i have heard not one not two but more than 10 people swearing that we were shuting protesting to the state since 2005 that we will provide you the location just finished these bastards but state does nothing. some of them even say that we have seen these people with pak army. i am just qouting them..


the truth only Allah knows.

and please its not that easy when you have the whole family there and you fight against those? we have 8 sub clans within afridi tribe and each clan had its own malak. the malakdin khel sub clan which is also my clan and the clan of umar gul (bowler) is the biggest clan our malak resisted mangal bagh and remember the malak has support of more than 800 armed men from our sub clan. still he couldnt do anything about mangal bagh and was later martyred by a suicide attack from his own sub clan boy. his family was threatend and they leave bara and later shifted to peshawar. You people know nothing its not that easy when armed men come to your house and asked for food or shelter or water. everybody is afraid for their own family and if they do something or if they inform army later they cannot live their they will need to shift to main cities as they and their family will be in risk forever from these militants.

Also there is a story you can ask from any local orakzai agency people they will tell when TTP first tried to capture orakzai agency there were six young men who resisted and halted them for many months. they have killed many from the TTP unless they were all killed one by one some by betrayal from their close friends by bribing some are ambushed. so my point is there was a resistance but non succeeded as TTP were heavily armed and organized. Imagine our sub clan malak with over 800 armed med support couldnt stop mangal bagh

All this is pre Swat operation and history now. This happened when US Nato entered Afghanistan and everyone in Pakistan was confused, even the Pakistan Army Jawan were confused as to why should we fight our own people. It was only after Swat ops and multiple attacks in mainland Pakistan, that Pakistanis and their armed forces realized who they were dealing with.

If they are this scared then who was helping with US drone strikes in Pakistan? Yes Pakistani state provided the bases but who provided the intel? How come Shakeel Afridi dared to provide intel on the head of a strong terrorist organization .. actually the organization that is the reason for all this.

I think the situation today is different. The answer cannot be same excuse from past.

 

[hasssanali8998]

So no confirmation of any kills from last night, one retaliatory attack in Tirah today and another one being reported in DI Khan. Pakistan is quickly losing any deterrence it built up last night, especially after that disaster of a press conference.

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yeah we need to go scorched earth things have gone too far

 

[hasssanali8998]

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[hasssanali8998]

also these retaliations mean we Definity hit something/someone

 

[Owaiz]

whats india gonna do, send more Rafales to our side for intercepting PL15 or CM400?

Nah, just give the Afghans what $$$ a couple of Rafales will cost to keep the western border hot.

 

[uknwit]

I honestly think its impossible to beat nation. You kill 300 or 3000 another 300 or 3000 will pop back up. You cant massacre a whole population we need to find a solution with taliban get in contact with neighbouring countries landlock them completely strave them and then put your demands forward.

 

[RescueRanger]

also these retaliations mean we Definity hit something/someone

Just the start. Which is why I requested people take time to digest briefing without over-emotional sentiment.

 

[hasssanali8998]

I honestly think its impossible to beat nation. You kill 300 or 3000 another 300 or 3000 will pop back up. You cant massacre a whole population we need to find a solution with taliban get in contact with neighbouring countries landlock them completely strave them and then put your demands forward.

again with this pacifism bs , we don't have the say on this anymore when someone attacks you ,you defend and retaliate

 

[RescueRanger]

I honestly think its impossible to beat nation. You kill 300 or 3000 another 300 or 3000 will pop back up. You cant massacre a whole population we need to find a solution with taliban get in contact with neighbouring countries landlock them completely strave them and then put your demands forward.

Have you not been keeping up with the news coming out of Iran regarding Afghan deportations ? Do you think it is mere happenstance.

If either India or Afghanistan thinks this a cakewalk they are sorely mistaken.

 

[Owaiz]

Look, your conversation with me is becoming farcical.

Quite simply: India will experience harm to its interests if Pakistan harms its allies and proxies. There is nothing beyond this that requires interpretation.

Now, you or I or anyone may discuss how successful or unsuccessful different strategies may be in this regard, but none of those variables alter the underlying maxim - that harming a friend of an enemy causes a degree of harm to said enemy.

I do agree with the example you cited that India will throw money at Afghans to do dirty work. This is precisely the type of nexus that needs to be smashed.

Brother , you are so wise and so innocent at the same time.

When GHQ was doing "dirty work" for Americans, did the collateral damage suffered by Pakistan, a major non-NATO ally, harm America in any way ? So, why do you think any damage to Afghanistan while the Taliban does dirty work for India will harm India in any way ?

 

[That_Guy]

So no confirmation of any kills from last night, one retaliatory attack in Tirah today and another one being reported in DI Khan. Pakistan is quickly losing any deterrence it built up last night, especially after that disaster of a press conference.

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Pakistan should take Wakhan at this point.

Help the anti-taliban forces to take the North, de facto breaking Afghanistan into two pieces.

 

[RescueRanger]

Statement by Afghanistan FM Muttaqi:

- 'We always stand with India'

- 'Will never go against India'

- 'Won't allow anti-India activity'

Key triggers for widening escalation:
1. A major inside-Pakistan attack with high civilian or foreign national casualties — raises pressure for drastic action.
2. A sudden policy pivot within the Taliban leadership
^ We are here!

Following on from this - I am going to list the main early warning indicators preceding any escalation:

Early Warning Indicators:
1. Major terror attack /strike inside Pakistan
2. Pakistani retaliatory action
3. Mobilization of military assets near border
4. Suspension of hotlines or diplomatic withdrawals.
5. Social media spikes in nationalist or war preparatory messaging.

 

[EternalMortal]

Lets take a moment to remember one of our most beloved generals who I am sure would be most pleased by the strikes on Kabul.

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You mean the guy who saved the taliban & airlifted them out of kunduz? Then helped them start an insurgency?

I swear these new gen pak nats are just a bunch of low IQ edgelords. Not a single functioning brain cell between them. Whole personality is based off of ispr conferences & Tiktok edits

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Interesting post!
If the Trump doctrine is to concentrate on trade with little considerations for the old geopolitics then today's America is for geoeconomics. In that, the supposed large natural resources in Pakistan and proven resources in CAR (Central Asia Region) have to be acquired and for that 'security' is of course paramount.

The USA is now becoming like what she was in the 19th century. I have no problem with it.....

 

[Maarkhoor]

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As per some Laali topi like military scholars US authorize and will support Pakistan to annex large parts of Afghanistan and China also agreed on that even inc wahan corridor.


Daroogh ba-gardan-e ravi.