Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Signalian]

Jani the problem is that if Afghanistan is sincere with Pakistan we will be sincere back - You know about my old posts so you know where I am coming from. We have lost a lot of good people as I am sure you have on your side.

The Taliban makes empty promises, these promises are never delivered - the Taliban FM is busy taking photos with ambulances and sacks of wheat. Are Afghan so quick to forget who has been helping them all these years?

Pakistan is not blameless - I wrote a detailed post on this in this very thread but I would save you the history lesson. If things are to change then either Taliban government make serious steps to ensure ttp cannot use Afghanistan as a launchpad against Pakistan and Pakistan will reciprocate that or Afghanistan regime continues the status quo.

I had friends in Afghanistan one of whom died when the Taliban took over Kabul - The reason I have become more venomous in recent years is because the overtures coming from not just the Taliban but also Ordinary Afghans has been overtly hostile and odious.

You can only tolerate being called a dog so many times before you lash out.

In a nutshell. Give KPK to Afghanistan, the problem is solved temporarily. Then they would venture into AJK and Baluchistan.

Did you ever think why doesn't ANA take training from Pakistan Forces, after all Pakistan follows NATO standards and ISAF has already trained ANA, Police and its affiliated militias. Taliban isn't interested in training from PA and doesnt want PA boots on the ground inside Afghanistan but India is welcome. So is Israel (covertly).

 

[Farhan23]

If an extremist and trashy Indian gov´t can drive away Afghanistan and China from Pakistan is not because of them but because Pakistan itself and her own doing. They don´t realize how interconnecting and regional alliance is good towards their long term survival against an enemy that is death set on swallowing it in Bharat and for Bharat this policy is not even up for debate.

The deterence against India will descrease to an all time low.

All India needs to put more wedge between between Pakistan and Afg-Sino is nothing but just watch the Pakistanis do it for them and they will be confident enough to launch a limited military operation to take Kashmir including GB And Parts of Punjab itself lays open within the next 5-10 years all India has to do is wait and allow this Pakistani gov´t to cannibalize itself

 

[imadul]

I thought Ehsan Ullah Ehsan was targeted?
Being civilian duffer, I can't understand military duffers' layers after layer machinations.
Why did they settle OBL next to Kakul? Which they then facilitated, Operation Neptune Spear, themselves got blot faced.
Why did they stage escape Ehsan Ullah Ehsan?
I mean what the f¥ck!

 

[Bilal]

Coming back to the OP topic. Did he die or not? Ya yeh sawal bhi mana hai.

 

[Signalian]

Yaar let me tell you a story - around 2009 I was involved in training the rescue service in Mansehra (rescue 1122 didn't exist back then in the area - so we trained some people from the local DCO office).
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Photo: The original search and rescue team in Mansehra made up of all community volunteers - tailors, builders, plumbers, some gov servants and the great man in the middle Harir Shah (great man - great humanitarian).

Anyway - so we trained these people right - and the project was funded by a German Government Agency known as GTZ - it is now rebranded to GIZ. Anyways... On the last day we carry out a disaster drill - and the DCO invites the media and everyone else and its a grand affair.

The Germans are really happy because they have just seen their investment start to bear fruit - and they even donated a Search and Rescue Vehicle to the local government - worth Rs. 1 Crore.

So the German head of the mission was a chap by the name of Christian Muller - after the exercise and lunch party - I had a chance to meet Christian again - we were having a nice casual chat and he remarked:

"I don't know if I should laugh or cry" and I inquired... What is the matter?
to which he replied "I have now lived in Pakistan for 3 years - I have learned basic urdu and pashto and fallen in love with your country and your people who are some of the most pure and hospitable people I have met, but your leaders.... "scoffs"..."

"Do you know what the DCO asked me after the lunch meeting?" "He said, thank you for funding the training of our rescue team, equipping them and donating the rescue vehicle" - "But you see, I was wondering, if your agency could see to donating a years worth of cash for fuel that would be most appreciated"...

^
Straight from the horses mouth.

I felt this small as a Pakistani upon hearing this.
*****
This is what is wrong with Pakistan.

Start a private civil rescue/relief/disaster management organization with funding from patriotic expats. Edhi was kept mobilized through donations in almost a similar way. Its not easy to run 100's of ambulances with new vehs, fuel, maintenance etc expenditures.,

 

[RescueRanger]

@RescueRanger
Earlier, you mentioned that Pakistan and the US had credible intelligence suggesting the USSR was advancing toward Pakistan’s warm waters after occupying Afghanistan... Could you please share a credible source to substantiate that claim? None of the available Soviet archives or declassified documents make any such reference.

Bahi - do you remember who was providing us Intelligence back then? Was it the soviets?

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00049R000601570006-2.pdf

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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[M. Sarmad]

Coming back to the OP topic. Did he die or not? Ya yeh sawal bhi mana hai.

The DG ISPR offered no confirmation of any strikes in Kabul, and naturally, no one will confirm whether the pig died or not?

Meanwhile, enjoy yet another episode of Truck ki Batti, as you like to phrase it...

 

[RescueRanger]

Coming back to the OP topic. Did he die or not? Ya yeh sawal bhi mana hai.

Me right now...

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[Bilal]

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Sahab se unke kaam ke baray mien na pochain, Sahab ghussa ho jainge. Sahab ko ghussa bohat asani se ajata hai.

 

[Farhan23]

Say what you want but Imran Khan but just like Sia bought this country few more decades.. When he was at the helm Pakistan performed best in geopolitical sense in securing itself and it´s long time survival but all that is being undone.

He first ethablished great alliance with China and weapons transfer he was Beijing´s friend and second he cleaned our western borders from the Americans and NATO elements who had parked nukes against us and keeping us in checkmate for over 20 years and then there was an increasingly Hinduvata trend getting out of hand in India plus Indian media being the most aggressive they have ever been calling for all out war everyday and had zero fears about Pakistan and he burst that bubble real quickly and crushed India´s delusions that it can actully beat Pakistan conventionally. This was for the first time when India acknowledged that Pakistan could potentially do a Ghorid swip thru out India and came to their sense. They truly realized Pakistan is insanely fearless nation and will try to swallow them whole again if they make a mistake, This realization was very powerful in the Pakistan-India dynamic. A strong suicidal, fearless nation that will totally impregnate you that is a neighbour to absolutely respect.

This was key because pre-2019 India actully assumed it could beat Pakistan in all it´s consus and poll opinions or any forums or on social media but this entirely changed forever during the Imran Khan era and forced India to take a more defensive posture.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Bahi - do you remember who was providing us Intelligence back then? Was it the soviets?

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https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00049R000601570006-2.pdf

I am familiar with the CIA reports in question, though they appear exaggerated and cannot be treated as wholly reliable..... My reference was to Soviet archival material, which makes no mention of any such intentions....Even the CIA’s own assessments remain speculative and inconclusive.... the very report you cited concedes that the Soviets were unlikely to attack Pakistan despite the alleged intelligence...

 

[uknwit]

Say what you want but Imran Khan but just like Sia bought this country few more decades.. When he was at the helm Pakistan performed best in geopolitical sense in securing itself and it´s long time survival but all that is being undone.

He first ethablished great alliance with China and weapons transfer he was Beijing´s friend and second he cleaned our western borders from the Americans and NATO elements who had parked nukes against us and keeping us in checkmate for over 20 years and then there was an increasingly Hinduvata trend getting out of hand in India and he burst that bubble and crushed India´s delusions that it can actully beat Pakistan conventionally.

This was key because pre-2019 India actully assumed it could beat Pakistan in all it´s consus and poll opinions or any forums or on social media but this entirely changed forever during the Imran Khan era and forced India to take a more defensive posture.

Yeah non of that is true and it is off topic as well

 

[Signalian]

Coming back to the OP topic. Did he die or not? Ya yeh sawal bhi mana hai.

Stop hounding the OP.

what has TTP said ? and how many TTP attacks have taken place since ?

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

You can ignore the facts and elephant in the room, but history won't. Pashtun culture was poisoned by many Madrasas aka Taliban factories. IN Pakistan. Its just now that the chickens are coming home to roost.

Agreed. Pakistan need to implement so called national action plan and do madrassa reforms. But thats not easy as there is huge pushback against it.

But said that Pakistan cannot sit back and roll over just because 50 years ago leaders made mistakes. There is no space for apologetic tune when it comes to fighting TTP/Taliban terrorists today.

Pakistan was not even nuclear power 50 years ago. Now have to think of consequences of likes of Taliban with patronage of must popular party PTI taking over Pakistan.