Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Blueishere]

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NOTE: As I had warned here before, they are already trying to plant a "generation Z protest" like in Nepal, Morocco and other countries, to destabilize Pakistan internally. Obviously the CIA / MOSSAD are behind this, I warned them (months ago) but they laughed at me.

This account is a BJP clown, don't post bullsh*t like this.

 

[That_Guy]

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NOTE: As I had warned here before, they are already trying to plant a "generation Z protest" like in Nepal, Morocco and other countries, to destabilize Pakistan internally. Obviously the CIA / MOSSAD are behind this, I warned them (months ago) but they laughed at me.

It's India, not CIA/mossad.

The account is Indian.

 

[hasssanali8998]

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NOTE: As I had warned here before, they are already trying to plant a "generation Z protest" like in Nepal, Morocco and other countries, to destabilize Pakistan internally. Obviously the CIA / MOSSAD are behind this, I warned them (months ago) but they laughed at me.

bahah starts a destructive protest kills police officers than cries when they reply

 

[tman786]

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NOTE: As I had warned here before, they are already trying to plant a "generation Z protest" like in Nepal, Morocco and other countries, to destabilize Pakistan internally. Obviously the CIA / MOSSAD are behind this, I warned them (months ago) but they laughed at me.

Mossad and CIA has already inflitrated our military and installed government. the details of the promises to join the Abraham accords is going to be kept a secret. A few times now when Trump held a joint presser with Netanyahu, Asim Munir and Shabaz were mentioned in a positive light.. something is very suspect here and it's not the mineral deals or the offer to sell Pasni port to the Americans.


The TLP protests could have been dealt with peacefully but this brutal chief is determined to outdo General Sisi for human rights abuses

 

[Signalian]

Fair point that PTI's political grievances need to addressed. That should continue to be a conversation.

The situation on the other hand is that the cancer of TTP needs to be uprooted in tandem. In order to do so, Army and all LEA agencies need to execute on a plan which is the NAP. The center needs alignment and partnership with KP on NAP. If the first item is constantly getting in the way executing the second one, and given the dire nature of the second one, then should it not require some rethink on the part of PTI?

What are we fighting for if the entire KP is slowly but surely being surrendered to the obscurantist mindset?

Remember Karachi and its mess in the 90s? The entire city and the province had to be aligned with the center. It was a draconian Operation Clean-Up. Back then too the center and province of Sind were at odds and constantly bickering. Yet they carried out that operation and a lot of people died but since then Karachi has not gone back to the dynamics of the past.

Something very similar is needed in KP with support of PTI.

TTP's ideology and its terrorists are mixed within Pakistan's population. TTP gets sympathy from Pakistani public and thus has been surviving and attacking LEAs with ease. They show up wherever they want, nobody reports their movements and they always have ample time on their hands to plant IEDs wherever they want and public never reports them.

TTP wears the same clothes, carries the same weapons like pathans (and Afghans) in KP, they speak the same language and live inside Pakistan within same societies and colonies as public (incl. Afghans in Pak). TTP doesnt need to cross border everyday from Afghanistan, they get supplies easily from within Pakistan, especially from the Afghan population who have been living since 80's in Pakistan.

Pakistan is being damaged by extremist ideology not just from TTP but it can be seen through the actions of TLP also recently. These idiots are fighting Police on the streets and damaging infra while Pakistan is at war next door with TTA/TTP. This is also because India and Israel are considered enemies of Pakistan - not Afghanistan.

 

[ToddE]

You went about your rants, without basic understanding of the subject and the fact that the jews today are NOT , I repeat, are NOT the bani Israel. Their genes came from Khazaria region, which were CONVERTED jews, again I repeat, CONVERTED jews. So if you are using them as the baseline for anyone to prove their linage with Bani Israel, at this point, I do not know what to say to you.

You have this typical difficulty due to indoctrination, where being jew and Israelite aka Bani Israel, mean the same thing. That ancient Bani Isreal, no longer lives holy lands, what you have now is immigrant from Russia, Ukraine, Poland. And they, whatever gene they carry, is not the barometer of Bani Israel credentials.

You are wrong again, European Ashkenazi genome is once again 50 : 50 between Levant_N/Anatolian_N (Almost replica of any other Jew) and Southern European (Steppe-EMBA + Early European Farmers). Take any Jew group, be it Sephardi, Mizrahi, Ashkenazi, Yemenites etc and their genome will always be Levant_N/Natufian+Anatolian_N as base marker because they are all from same origin. Judaism did not spread out to diverse genetics which is why their numbers are so low. There is a reason we see modern Israelis in G25 of even of European origin yet they plot closer to their neighbouring Levant groups like Syriacs, Druze etc because of Levant origin .... Eastern Iranics like Pashtuns/Baloch/Khorasanis/Pamiris on the other hand are Iran_N/CHL+Steppe MLBA+East Asian/IVC. Zero Connection with any Jewish entity be it Ashkenazi, Khazarian, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Yemenite.

What you are repeating is what Afghan ethnonationalist might say to differentiate themselves as "unique" from their regional blood-bonded ethnic groups. Ethno nationalist politics revolves around this perceived folkfore based "unique-ness" but modern genetic science blasts these BS theories into oblivion. Considering the kind of venom Afghan ethno-nationalists spew against Iran and Pakistan, I would expect you to understand it but its fine if you cant.

 

[ToddE]

Aren't the majority of Pakistanis today made up of these components which are not so much away from the Arabs (Natufian/Anatolian), native Jews (Natufian/Anatolian), Indians (EHG/Zagrosian/AASI mix)? Like, every r/illustrativeDNA post of a Pakistani (Pashtuns, Balochs, Punjabis, Sindhis, Muhajirs, etc.) contains at least these five to six groups: Zagrosian (Iranian) NF, European HG, Anatolian NF (small), Natufian (almost non-existent with very small numbers), Caucasus HG (in small quantity), and the AASI.

The only difference is that the percentage varies depending on the person’s ethnicity, for example, a Baloch having a dominant Zagrosian NF input, a Muhajir with dominant AASI, while other ethnic groups like Pashtuns, Sindhis, Kashmiris, and Punjabis show a mix of all these groups with balanced percentages but one thing I have seen is that we all contain at least these five group inputs minus the Natufian.

I have been warned of Off-Topic posts so you can take it to Iran Chill Thread, will answer you there.

 

[Waterboy]

So my question is: without ending existing Military & Para-military deployments in KP, why not let the PTI attempt its policy for ‘talks’, whilst simultaneously planning for the ‘day after’ talks fail?

The talks have already failed.

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Not sure how PTI can negotiate with these demands without giving up sovereignty.

 

[Blain2]

Yep lovely shariah there bro. I suppose the verdict of Islam on Islam hating savages doesn't apply to them as long as they can get what they want.
These stinky deformed monkeys make me hate them more each day.

I feel sorry for the women and children living under these fat bafoons. Also just why are they all so well fed and fat? Many of the poor folks don't even have three meals to eat a day.

We also shoved a bit of this ideology on the Afghans because of our own Islamization in the 80s/90s. Some of this is on us but their people were ready to consume it too just as many Pakistanis did. Saudi and Irani influences impacted both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

However that aside, the predecessors of the Taliban were just as or even more spiteful towards Pakistan.

Awkwardly, they love their occupiers i.e., Russians and Americans (who invaded them, disrespected their culture, women and corrupted their youth) more and hate us Pakistanis (for hosting their refugees, aiding their freedom struggle) only bc Pakistan wanted to watch over its own interests and protect its rear on the west. That meant giving Pakhtuns preference and the Tajik/Uzbeks and their mouthpieces never forgave Pakistan for that. Pashtuns in Afghanistan were never reconciled with the DL division so you have a healthy stew of Pakistan haters in Afghanistan.

At the very fundamental level, I think a lot of their national hate is also due to their jealousy over Pakistan because for the most part Pakistan works Alhamdolillah and they can't get over us darker, lowly British slaves (as per their propaganda) getting ahead.

I say the above having had some interactions with Afghans while studying overseas. Many of their elite in the West had a very arrogant, dismissive view of Pakistan/Pakistanis. However, politics aside, Afghans were/are also some of the nicest, kindest people. I cannot take that away from them.

 

[Signalian]

Mossad and CIA has already inflitrated our military and installed government. the details of the promises to join the Abraham accords is going to be kept a secret. A few times now when Trump held a joint presser with Netanyahu, Asim Munir and Shabaz were mentioned in a positive light.. something is very suspect here and it's not the mineral deals or the offer to sell Pasni port to the Americans.


The TLP protests could have been dealt with peacefully but this brutal chief is determined to outdo General Sisi for human rights abuses

Asim Munir and Shabaz were mentioned in a positive light since they have managed to thrash India recently while they were considered nobody's and sidelined when Israel brought up the accords.

As for TLP point, the extremist psychology cultivated through madrassah teachings is another factor born out of poverty where parents send kids to madrassah for religious and academic studies unable to afford schools. "Peaceful protest" is just a name now, there is nothing peaceful when ideology is extremist, especially when its religious which TLP actually is.

 

[That_Guy]

The talks have already failed.

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Not sure how PTI can negotiate with these demands without giving up sovereignty.

They can't, so they won't.

It's a ridiculous demand by the ttp. Either PTI gives up its naive attempts to negotiate, and comes to an inevitable realization that the ttp isn't interested in negotiating for peace...

...Or....

...KP falls into complete chaos, which I don't think will happen.

Push comes to shove, PTI is still the only national level political party with massive support from all provinces, they'll have no choice but to end these bad faith negotiations.

 

[Tom_Cruise]

There are no NO Pakistani jets flying over Afghan cities. Please let's not give air to misinformation.

Our military hasn't given much info about ongoing operations and understandably so. Nobody knows if PAF is flying over Afghanistan or not but almost certainly drones will be.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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Not sure how PTI can negotiate with these demands without giving up sovereignty.

We need to ask PTI and Imran if they agree with these demands. If they do then ban PTI. At that point they are Taliban themselves.

Time has come for potis to decide on which side they are. You are either with Pakistan or Taliban, no in between.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

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Not sure how PTI can negotiate with these demands without giving up sovereignty.

Neither I nor the PTI have said that the demands brought up by the TTP in Tirah are acceptable, nor do I agree that the negotiations we have seen so far are the same as a national consensus on proceeding with province/national level talks that are clearly defined in terms of objectives.

Again, this is something the Fauj, GoKP and GoP have to get together and hash out - what are the compromises that can be made and what the red lines are. Once that is ironed out, establish the ‘day after’ response in case of failure (likely).

If this impasse (between PTI and Fauj) is to be resolved, the parties have to compromise with each other, and the onus for compromise and talks is on the Fauj, given the national power dynamics everyone is aware of.

 

[Musings]

You are wrong again, European Ashkenazi genome is once again 50 : 50 between Levant_N/Anatolian_N (Almost replica of any other Jew) and Southern European (Steppe-EMBA + Early European Farmers). Take any Jew group, be it Sephardi, Mizrahi, Ashkenazi, Yemenites etc and their genome will always be Levant_N/Natufian+Anatolian_N as base marker because they are all from same origin. Judaism did not spread out to diverse genetics which is why their numbers are so low. There is a reason we see modern Israelis in G25 of even of European origin yet they plot closer to their neighbouring Levant groups like Syriacs, Druze etc because of Levant origin .... Eastern Iranics like Pashtuns/Baloch/Khorasanis/Pamiris on the other hand are Iran_N/CHL+Steppe MLBA+East Asian/IVC. Zero Connection with any Jewish entity be it Ashkenazi, Khazarian, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Yemenite.

What you are repeating is what Afghan ethnonationalist might say to differentiate themselves as "unique" from their regional blood-bonded ethnic groups. Ethno nationalist politics revolves around this perceived folkfore based "unique-ness" but modern genetic science blasts these BS theories into oblivion. Considering the kind of venom Afghan ethno-nationalists spew against Iran and Pakistan, I would expect you to understand it but its fine if you cant.

Come on bro - get back to the topic