Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[El Sidd]

Pakistan doesnt deserve to be a state if we cannot control these jihadi mullahs on mosques and madrassas. Its nuclear weapons needs to be taken away.

All stable muslim countries from Turkey, GCC, Malaysia etc all have their mullahs on state payroll. And I mean all not some.

Nobody is stopping you or anyone else from conspiring to take the nuclear assets away.

I like the confusion. You lot have done a full circle from championing separation of the church and the state by citing Turkey and Malaysia to calling them theocratic states. Has the marriage ended with democracy so early? What differentiates your aspirations to those of the Afghan government?

Half baked fascists like you lose their amusement value very quickly.

 

[Brutal.]

Taliban regime is asking Pakistani mullahs to declare jihad against Pakistan. Keep a eye on that red mosque bastard deoband cult, he may do it.

Are the taliban themselves muslims? islam teaches us to respect the dead and bury them as soon as possible with dignity. Not drag naked dead bodies around.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Important distinction which many are forgetting.

Pakistan is an Islamic republic and the vast majority of populace has Islamic sensitivities.

So we must not and cannot forget that we ourselves are accountable for our actions in front of God.

We are facing a dire and unfortunate situation in which the state is forced to take military action against another group that is comprised of Muslims and Khawarij (TTA and TTP et al.)

Islamically, a Muslim state can take military action against another group of Muslims (or khawarij, which are also Muslims per legal criteria), if that group threatens the safety and security of the citizens.

So from an Islamic perspective, an action might be permissible but not praiseworthy or one that has to be cheered upon.

The nature of this warfare has imposed on us that despite best efforts, we cannot avoid loss of innocent lives 100%.

That is why, to preseve or moral and muslim identity, it is very important to explain it to ourselves and to the world, that the state is forced to act in such a way, and is not neccassirly pleased with the state of affairs.

Despite our hatred for Afghans at the moment, we must not forget that cheapening of Afghan blood, is inturn, cheapening of the Muslim blood. At the end of the day, they pray towards the same Kaaba and have the same kalimah.

We kill because we have to, not because we are bloodthirsty. We will stop when we see any opening that allows us to ensure our security without killing.

This is important to understand because we are operating in a weird binary. Either the Afghans are sacred brothers or they are vile namak harams that deserve massacare. The point is that the Islamic framework allows the state to take military action without us dehumanizing Afghans specially the TTA that we have courted for decades.

There is no point in burning all bridges because no matter how much explosives are dropped, at the end of the day we will be negotiating with them. This will happen today or tommorrow, but it will. Militray action is only to allow us to negotiate from a position of strength.

The bridges have ALL been permanently burnt when afghans/taliban began killing Pakistani civilians more than 24 years ago. The afghans have allied themselves with the hindutva/indians who call for the death and destruction of the Pakistani race and nation. The afghans are JUST AS MUCH our enemies as the indians are. This is permanent.

How can we consider ANYONE a Muslim when they worship, venerate and shake the hands of the most extremist hindutva Islamaphobes who curse and insult the beloved prophets of Islsm?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Are the taliban themselves muslims? islam teaches us to respect the dead and bury them as soon as possible with dignity. Not drag naked dead bodies around.

The taliban/afghans are NOT REAL Muslims. They have allied themselves with the most extreme Islamaphobic hindutva indians who insult and curse the beloved prophets of Islam.

 

[SABRE]

They leave just enough curiosity in the subject's minds.

As they say, you don't teach history, you live by it's lessons.

In schools, curiosity invites the cane of hard lesson learned. Anyway, teachers aren't equipped to call the BS and students aren't really curious enough to do some out of textbook study on history. But hey, at least, we are not learning history from WhatsApp like the neighbors.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Our people are idiots, that's the problem

And these idiots think democracy is the solution when you have a jahil easily led public who embrace Saviours as th chosen ones who will bring balance and rainbows to their lives

You can include nawaz, Bhutto's, diesel, etc etc into that statement

We need to move forward and we desperately need to control mass stupidity amongst our masses

Cant blame public when it was Zia policy to teach extremism for Afghan jihad.

 

[Brutal.]

The taliban/afghans are NOT REAL Muslims. They have allied themselves with the most extreme Islamaphobic hindutva indians who insult and curse the beloved prophets of Islam.

Exactly. Maybe they pretend to be muslims to give muslims a bad name.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Pakistan is an Islamic republic and the vast majority of populace has Islamic sensitivities.

There are no "Islamic sensitivities ". Religion has nothing to do with an evil vile lust for power. Countries with identical religions have fought and slaughtered each other's populations ever since the first basic systems of beliefs were established 30,000 years back after our species, the Homo Sapiens, wiped out the Neanderthals who were the dominant species on the planet for 250,000 years.

So we must not and cannot forget that we ourselves are accountable for our actions in front of God.

Are we alone ( and not our enemies) only answerable to God? Hasn't God given us the right to defend and protect ourselves, our families and children?

We are facing a dire and unfortunate situation in which the state is forced to take military action against another group that is comprised of Muslims and Khawarij (TTA and TTP et al.)

It doesn't matter what you label our enemies in medieval religious terminology "Muslims, Khwarij, Munsfiq " whatever. The blunt fact is these evil medieval fascist thugs are killing our women and children and killing the male breadwinners who are sustaining their families. The only way we can defend and protect ourselves is by killing all of these thugs. No other options exist. They are murderers and MUST be eliminated. We owe it to our wives, sisters, daughters, and mothers that their perpetually wet eyes are wiped dry .

Islamically, a Muslim state can take military action against another group of Muslims (or khawarij, which are also Muslims per legal criteria), if that group threatens the safety and security of the citizens.

There is no such thing as "Islamically". The right of self-defense is a natural right to all mankind . There is no "legal criteria" for murderers being classified as Muslims Christians or whatever, A murderer is a murderer , What a murderer claims to believe is irrelevant. A murderer is a threat and must be eliminated before more innocent people are murdered.

 

[SABRE]

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[El Sidd]

In schools, curiosity invites the cane of hard lesson learned. Anyway, teachers aren't equipped to call the BS and students aren't really curious enough to do some out of textbook study on history. But hey, at least, we are not learning history from WhatsApp like the neighbors.

The Nation of Pakistan seems far more progressive and open minded towards history as they have no qualms of being a young nation. It's a luxury less conceivable for our surrounding nations hence their proneness to fascism.

 

[RescueRanger]

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[RescueRanger]

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What does commander mean for Taliban? Rank below sucide bomber?

 

[Baibers_1260]

Thread needs some maturity and sanity injected into it. Some posts remind me of Israeli attitudes to Palestinians.

I am all for wiping out Taliban, bombing civilians is not how Pak forces work

We are not an occupation force like the situation elsewhere. The analogy with Palestine is incorrect. We are in a defensive total war, defending our territory AND OUR WAY OF LIFE.
In a total war we have choices to make.
- Are the lives of OUR civilians more important than the lives of civilians of an enemy that has little regard for either the lives of its own civilians or that of any other?
- Should we continue to see our soldiers and civilians massacred in the most savage and barbaric way ? Think of the wives, mothers, daughters and sisters who saw their husbands, brothers, sons, and fathers slaughtered with lives in broad daylight like sheep on live TV . Even the idol worshipping Hindu soldiers from India have never done this in their wars with us.
-Are THESE are the so-called MUSLIMS and "civilians " we are supposed to consider during military action to avoid collateral damage ?
Which is more important protecting our women and children and their breadwinners or considering the lives of savage vicious murderers?