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Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm
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Master Chief
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The whole Kabuli narrative is simple ethnonationalism, further evolved into ethnoterrorism. They have often vocalised their supremacist and genocidal ideologies quite brazenly.
It is good that they keep playing the Durand Line card because this further exposes their true cause, further alienates non-Pashtun Afghans, and further reminds us why Jinnah was such a wise figurehead, literally generations ahead in terms of statecraft compared with others in the region. Such ethnonationalist movements exist elsewhere in the world, even in Europe. Perhaps the closest regionally is the Kurdish movement, which has now all but fizzled out like a damp firework, as such movements invariably do.
The same way we thank Jinnah that we were not absorbed by India, I think we should now start thanking him that we weren't ever under Kabul's influence either!
Pakistan Space Agency
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Has someone showed this map to "pull sapport "pathan" bahis in India"?
Imagine linking Pakistan with a zionost state, then refusing to accept the internationally recognised border and posting belligerent claims to colonise your neighbouring country.
Taliban claim Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires. Afghanistan in reality is a graveyard of Afghans.
We are dealing with actual retards.
Map of Greater Afghanistan looks like a lota.
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RescueRanger
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Has someone showed this map to "pull sapport "pathan" bahis in India"?
Imagine linking Pakistan with a zionost state, then refusing to accept the internationally recognised border and posting belligerent claims to colonise your neighbouring country.
Taliban claim Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires. Afghanistan in reality is a graveyard of Afghans.
We are dealing with actual retards.
Nukes I tell you
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Mirzali Khan
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Jinnah has reportedly said that Pakistanis and Afghans are brothers and no power on earth can separate them.
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Yes, Muhammad Ali Jinnah explicitly referred to Afghanistan and Pakistan as "Brotherly Nations" . However, this expression of goodwill and friendship from Jinnah was unilaterally offered by Pakistan and one sided and was not reciprocated by the Afghan government at the time, which refused to even accept Pakistan.
Despite Jinnah's overtures, the official Afghan government's position was politically hostile, driven by its non-recognition of the Durand Line and its support for the "Pakhtunistan" demand. This overshadowed Jinnah's efforts and resulted in strained relations despite all his attempts, exemplified by Afghanistan's vote against Pakistan's entry into the UN in 1947.
The only thing this proves is that starting from Jinnah, we have been trying to be friends to them but they have been hostile to us form the get go.
Mirzali Khan
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Overall, what a sh!tshow.
This Durand Line obsession is what has driven Afghanistan to back to back civil wars, along with the state that it is in today.
Funny enough, the Farsi-speaking Pashtun elite sitting in Kabul have repeatedly betrayed Pashtun nationalists to the point where many after 1947 said to never trust Afghanistan.
FATA has always had an independent streak, despite claims by Afghanistan, if you go back in history to the Waziristan campaign 100 years ago, one of the reasons why they started the campaign against the British Empire was that there was a rumor the British were going to give Waziristan to Afghanistan.
However, I don't think peace will prevail. Most Pakistanis don't understand the Afghan nationalist psyche. They see the Durand Line the same way Pakistanis see Kashmir and the same way Palestinians see Israel.
This Durand Line obsession is what has driven Afghanistan to back to back civil wars, along with the state that it is in today.
Funny enough, the Farsi-speaking Pashtun elite sitting in Kabul have repeatedly betrayed Pashtun nationalists to the point where many after 1947 said to never trust Afghanistan.
FATA has always had an independent streak, despite claims by Afghanistan, if you go back in history to the Waziristan campaign 100 years ago, one of the reasons why they started the campaign against the British Empire was that there was a rumor the British were going to give Waziristan to Afghanistan.
However, I don't think peace will prevail. Most Pakistanis don't understand the Afghan nationalist psyche. They see the Durand Line the same way Pakistanis see Kashmir and the same way Palestinians see Israel.
Dalit
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Afghanistan is biting off far too much than it can chew.
This is not a contest once Pakistan starts going bezerk. The Afghan ambition is unrealistic and unachievable.
Master Chief
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His magnanimous nature towards honest and humble Afghans does not surprise me at all, and I am not advocating for belligerence against individuals who do seek peace with Pakistan and do recognise Pakistani sovereignty - that much is abundantly clear.
And yet, despite the supposed brotherhood historically, we have not developed into some ethnofascist nation state, as Afghanistan has become, despite the honest and sincere efforts of so many Pakistanis. I shall reiterate - we are not like Afghanistan because of the very ideological foundations upon which Pakistan was created. Jinnah probably wasn't the first and certainly wasn't the last to try to educate the namak haram qom.
That project has now passed.
r3alist
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It made the point that no nation would tolerate their soldiers being regularly ambushed and killed, which you don't hear too often. It also showed some strategic sympathy.
Mirzali Khan
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The history of Pakistan is very, very different than the history of Afghanistan.
Just look at it this way, Afghanistan has had many flag changes which represents its political instability. Pakistan also has political instability, but for different reasons.
Pakistan never had a civil war to the point different factions held different territories on ethnic lines, you have multiple massive killings and slaughter of different groups during the civil war in 90's and in the civil war 100 years ago.
When the first gov came with Rabbani as PM, all of the groups that formed the original government couldn't agree and ended up having infighting which led to Mullah Omar taking most of Afghanistan.
Its a very long history, that most Pakistanis aren't gonna comprehend or understand. These problems have existed way before 9/11 and way before Pakistan's independence.
The only other similarity I can find is Lebanon, where all groups descended into civil war and had atrocities against each other which also involved Palestinians.
RescueRanger
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Correct.
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