Pakistan Air Force | News & Discussions

[Yasser76]

Which month is this article? August or September?

Oct issue but it comes out in Sep

 

[BonPlan]

PAF made a very specific claim spelling out very specific tail numbers, BS001, BS021, BS022 and BS027. Why don't IAF come clean on them and make a mockery out of PAF and its credibility. So easy, been almost 5 months now but still no new (post May 10) pic of these Rafales. Ever wonder why?

Explain me how it is possible for PAF to say "I killed this special Rafale BSXXX" ?
All the Rafale has the same radar signature, and PAF has no access to indian IFF.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Explain me how it is possible for PAF to say "I killed this special Rafale BSXXX" ?
All the Rafale has the same radar signature, and PAF has no access to indian IFF.

The article also mentioned it is later further verified using humint.

 

[ThoroughPro]

Its been 3-4 months now, one would hope they will out and give details which fighter they lost, its serial number and if the pilot ejected successfully or not, if not and died than we will give him a hero's funeral ?

I guess they are still waiting for the final word on the 4 damaged Rafales, maybe there is some chance they may fly.

 

[Xestan]

But how could we didnt intercept the SCALPs and Brahmos on the early hours of 7th may? however we were able to intercept them on later days?

There are multiple factors here.

The launches on the night of 7th were quite close range, that's why we were able to lock on to the launcher aircraft and shoot them down. Closer range means very less time for interception. And another factor is that all those targeted areas didn't have proper SAM coverage.

Most of our SAMs are covering important installations.

And about the missiles on 9th and 10th, well the number of successful interceptions are still subject to a lot of debate.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

There are multiple factors here.

The launches on the night of 7th were quite close range, that's why we were able to lock on to the launcher aircraft and shoot them down. Closer range means very less time for interception. And another factor is that all those targeted areas didn't have proper SAM coverage.

Most of our SAMs are covering important installations.

And about the missiles on 9th and 10th, well the number of successful interceptions are still subject to a lot of debate.

makes sense. Thank you for your time and answer. both reasons are very much plausible.

 

[BonPlan]

Maybe most but not all and certainly not enough.

CDS Accepts Loss of IAF Fighter Jets

“What is important is that–not the jet being down, but why they were being down,” he was quoted as saying.

thewire.in

One killed, 9 injured as unidentified aircraft crashes in Bathinda village

The deceased was identified by villagers as Govind Kumar, who hailed from Charkhi Dadri in Haryana and was working as a farm labourer in the village.

www.hindustantimes.com

You're right, but no evidence of more than 1 Rafale shooted.

 

[BonPlan]

Frenchman! do not let me doubt your IQ please.

by the way - 8 x Rafale -- i told you so.

LOL.
your heightened patriotism makes you say anything without proof.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

It has been few months already. What could be the wisdom in withholding evidence that embarrasses your enemy? Unless there’s no evidence and Pakistan is simply bluffing.

benefits are non-measurable (one would presume!)

but, then, again, benefits should be non-recursive to be beneficial in the first place.

its like having metrics to judge outcome, only to realize later that metrics themselves need correction.

nature of evidence comes before evidence/proof:

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[BonPlan]

Russia wants to buy back the two S-400 system that it sold to Turkey in 2020 for $2.5 billion dollars. Most of the Russian S-400 systems have either been destroyed by Ukraine or severely depleted due to the part shortages. Turkish S-400 system has not be deployed and now it needs updates. The Turkish acquisition of US built F-35 is delayed because it bought S-400 air defense from Russia since US refused the Patriot anti-missile defense systems. Now Turkey has leverage to re-enter the F-35 program and also buy the update F-16s.

No. The Turkish F-35 purchase is not delayed, it is canceled.
Even if the S400 are really sold back to russia (big big doubt), it will take years to make a deal specially with uncle Trump. No way.

 

[ThoroughPro]

Produce the images. BS001 is confirmed because images of it have been found out. If Pakistan claims it has humint evidence, they must present similar evidence.

But why?
Is PAF fighting a legal case in a court of law?

PAF not only made a very specific claim they also provided the specific tail numbers. If PAF lied, it is so easy for IAF to make a mockery of PAF and destroy their credibility by showing just one post May 10 pic of any of these aircraft. IAF even released a video of their Other Rafale Squadron, they could have just shown any of the above tail numbers flying or even on ground, to bury this matter for ever.

 

[BonPlan]

India’s choice is based on constraints. It already bought the Rafale - spent its billions training on it. Now it could switch to EF but the investment it made in it especially for IN means it is already stuck with the Rafale as platform of record.

Your logic is so routed in your Indian living in France background that you cannot reconcile that the Rafale is a good platform which was simply employed poorly by India.

As a french, having worked in a Dassault factory, I have no lesson to receive about the Rafale efficiency.

And no, India has not only a choice between Rafale and EF2000, but also with SH18, F21, Mig35, Su-35, Gripen E (but this last one is a too direct competitor to Tejas, so no). They simply choose the best.

 

[ThoroughPro]

Si tu veux des leçons privées de français, y a qu'à me le demander gentiment. Je te ferais un bon prix si tu es un bon élève.

Google Translate ne fera pas de toi un étudiant de première année, Rakesh.

 

[Sepp]

The lack of Indian acceptance of losses is hilarious considering these guys use to pride themselves on their so-called "transparency".

 

[Yasser76]

Explain me how it is possible for PAF to say "I killed this special Rafale BSXXX" ?
All the Rafale has the same radar signature, and PAF has no access to indian IFF.

READ the article fully. It explains various levels of OSINT/HUMINT/SIGINT

Enjoy the cope while you do