Pakistan Air Force | News & Discussions

Let's see if this holds up vis-a-vis the serial numbers.
It's been two months, Pakistan has always claimed 2 rafales shot down, India could have easily done a drone overview of all Rafales.....and proven Pakistan wrong.

PAF won't make such a bold claim without 100% confirmation. And IAF unable to deny that more than 1 Rafale lost also lends credence to PAF claims.

I guess with time we will know.

But as much vile these Indians are, you never know they will ask or beg French or Qataris to lend their Rafales and paint them and parade them. I mean they are fully capable of doing that.
 
It's been two months, Pakistan has always claimed 2 rafales shot down, India could have easily done a drone overview of all Rafales.....and proven Pakistan wrong.

PAF won't make such a bold claim without 100% confirmation. And IAF unable to deny that more than 1 Rafale lost also lends credence to PAF claims.

I guess with time we will know.

But as much vile these Indians are, you never know they will ask or beg French or Qataris to lend their Rafales and paint them and parade them. I mean they are fully capable of doing that.

Qataris have no love for the Indians, I can assure you.

French, for right price, will do anything
 
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
 
Imagine that alternate universe of "F-16 guys" vs "M2K guys" (had the M2K/-5 orders in the 1990s gone through).
Then what difference it will make .. we still have been under American control.
Unfortunately
 
Then what difference it will make .. we still have been under American control.
Unfortunately
IMO...had the M2K program gone ahead in the early 1990s, the PAF would have probably pushed for local manufacturing.

ACM Qureishi said that the PAF had needed 80 high-tech fighters at the time of the M2K/-5 talks.

With long-term numbers that high and the M2K/-5 being viewed as a permanent fixture of the PAF, local manufacturing would've been the next step, especially as Dassault was looking to move off it by the 2000s.

One other fun story, in the early-1980s Dassault had offered the Mirage F-1 manufacturing line with a stockpile of ATAR engines as a replacement for the F-6.
 
IMO...had the M2K program gone ahead in the early 1990s, the PAF would have probably pushed for local manufacturing.

ACM Qureishi said that the PAF had needed 80 high-tech fighters at the time of the M2K/-5 talks.

With long-term numbers that high and the M2K/-5 being viewed as a permanent fixture of the PAF, local manufacturing would've been the next step, especially as Dassault was looking to move off it by the 2000s.

One other fun story, in the early-1980s Dassault had offered the Mirage F-1 manufacturing line with a stockpile of ATAR engines as a replacement for the F-6.

It was never realistic from a financial stand point.
 

They’re still flying high

July 13, 2025

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has always drawn praise from everyone – not through grandstanding, but by delivering whenever it is tested.

The latest nod came from the Chief of Staff of China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force, Lieutenant General Wang Gang, who called the PAF’s performance in the recent war with India “a textbook example of precision, discipline, and courage” in the face of unprovoked aggression. The remark came during a high-level visit to Air Headquarters in Islamabad, where General Wang also noted China’s keen interest in learning from the PAF’s battle-tested integration of Multi-Domain Operations, which says a lot.

That’s not a compliment Beijing hands out lightly – especially given its own airpower ambitions. But for those who’ve watched the PAF over the decades, this shouldn’t come as a surprise.

The Pakistan Air Force has always punched well above its weight. It captured international attention during the 1965 war, when a much smaller fleet held its own against a numerically superior Indian Air Force. Some of its wartime manoeuvres became case studies in combat aviation. The legend only grew over time – with stories of PAF pilots flying for Arab states and downing Israeli jets during the Yom Kippur War becoming part of regional military lore.

Even in peacetime, the service maintained its edge, consistently training to a standard that attracted foreign observers, joint drills, and deep bilateral engagements – not least with China, which co-developed the JF-17 Thunder with Pakistan. That same platform has since matured into a credible deterrent force, operated by highly trained PAF squadrons who’ve adapted to modern hybrid warfare challenges without bloating the budget.

What’s more, the PAF’s operational discipline and strategic clarity often stand in contrast to the disarray that marks other parts of the country’s institutional machinery. Whether it’s political paralysis, economic stasis, or diplomatic drift, Pakistan struggles to project stability in most arenas – except when its military, particularly its air wing, is in frame.

So when China singles out the PAF for praise – and explicitly expresses a desire to learn from it – the statement carries weight beyond flattery. It confirms what military analysts have long argued: that the Pakistan Air Force remains one of the region’s most competent and coherent fighting forces.

It also reinforces the reality that Pakistan’s strategic partnerships are not just alive – they’re evolving. China is not lavishing praise as a favour; it is acknowledging value. A battle-tested, professionally run air force with multi-domain integration capabilities is an asset, especially as China gears up for its own next-generation military transformation. And for Pakistan, deeper integration with China’s airpower doctrines and technologies could be the edge it needs to maintain parity with a larger neighbour constantly updating its arsenal.

Yet there’s a larger implication here, one worth noting. Pakistan’s military, and the PAF in particular, has remained committed to hard capability even as fiscal realities have shrunk civilian development space. One might argue whether this allocation of resources is sustainable – that’s a different debate – but there is little doubt that it has paid operational dividends.

For a country still fighting an internal insurgency, struggling with fiscal meltdown, and burdened by political disarray, having one institution consistently deliver competence and reliability on the global stage is more than just optics – it’s leverage.

That’s not to say the country can fly on the wings of the PAF alone. But when the civilian leadership is largely absent from diplomatic or economic strategy, and parliament rarely debates serious national security matters, such moments of international recognition carry weight far beyond military circles.

They serve as reminders of what disciplined focus can achieve, even under systemic stress.

So yes, the PAF deserves the recognition. Not just for what it did this summer, but for the decades of consistency, evolution, and excellence that led up to it. If anything still commands quiet respect for Pakistan abroad, it’s not its economy, its democracy, or its diplomacy. It’s the precision of its pilots.

And they’re still flying high.

Copyright Business Recorder, 2025
 
Air Cmdr Rtd Chisthi strikes again!

Latest interview dated 15 July, 2025

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.


Key takeaways:

- Interviewer asked chishti about the rumors surrounding the cancellation of J-35 deal originating mostly from India and after his earlier interviews to which he replies that the J-35 isn’t fully operational yet (despite induction) in the PLAAF and it still is Going through weapons testing and integration and engine upgrading is still being sought after. China isn’t marketing the J-35 in a way that it should.

- PAF is not only engaged with China for J-35 AND J-20 (interviewer specifically asked about J-20) but also multiple other projects. He claims that the PAF always goes for mature platforms and J-35 isn’t mature yet. J-20 is mature, operational and integrated and is an option that we have under consideration too.

- He confirms (finally putting Rest to the stupid debate by some people that the PAF never sought the J-35) that the PAF has been engaged with China for the J-35 for a long time and we will eventually get them.

- PAF has multiple negotiations going on, some mature and some not, but he chose to keep them confidential and that retarded guy Qazi interfered (f you qazi sahab! That felt worse than a heart break, learn some manners)

- He asks if PAF sees the Thunders in Indonesian flag to which he replies that the world Saw Pakistan employing J-10 and thunders against rafales and saw the outcome. He indirectly implied that the PAF might’ve pitched the Thunders and the Indonesians are second guessing their rafale choice.

- Multiple military delegations are visiting Pakistan to seek the experience and trainings.

@Areesh
@Irfan Baloch @Ali_Baba @baqai @Bilal @Dalit @HRK @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Liquidator @Maarkhoor @Master Chief @Mobius @maverick @Mighty_Dragon_Strike @mythbuster @PakistaniDefender @Panzerkiel @PK781 @pwfi @r3alist @SaadH @SiliconByte (silicon0000) @TAC @Vapnope @Yasser76 @Trailer23 @Deino @MastanKhan @Oscar @Salza
 
Air Cmdr Rtd Chisthi strikes again!

Latest interview dated 15 July, 2025

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.


Key takeaways:

- Interviewer asked chishti about the rumors surrounding the cancellation of J-35 deal originating mostly from India and after his earlier interviews to which he replies that the J-35 isn’t fully operational yet (despite induction) in the PLAAF and it still is Going through weapons testing and integration and engine upgrading is still being sought after. China isn’t marketing the J-35 in a way that it should.

- PAF is not only engaged with China for J-35 AND J-20 (interviewer specifically asked about J-20) but also multiple other projects. He claims that the PAF always goes for mature platforms and J-35 isn’t mature yet. J-20 is mature, operational and integrated and is an option that we have under consideration too.

- He confirms (finally putting Rest to the stupid debate by some people that the PAF never sought the J-35) that the PAF has been engaged with China for the J-35 for a long time and we will eventually get them.

- PAF has multiple negotiations going on, some mature and some not, but he chose to keep them confidential and that retarded guy Qazi interfered (f you qazi sahab! That felt worse than a heart break, learn some manners)

- He asks if PAF sees the Thunders in Indonesian flag to which he replies that the world Saw Pakistan employing J-10 and thunders against rafales and saw the outcome. He indirectly implied that the PAF might’ve pitched the Thunders and the Indonesians are second guessing their rafale choice.

- Multiple military delegations are visiting Pakistan to seek the experience and trainings.

@Areesh
@Irfan Baloch @Ali_Baba @baqai @Bilal @Dalit @HRK @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Liquidator @Maarkhoor @Master Chief @Mobius @maverick @Mighty_Dragon_Strike @mythbuster @PakistaniDefender @Panzerkiel @PK781 @pwfi @r3alist @SaadH @SiliconByte (silicon0000) @TAC @Vapnope @Yasser76 @Trailer23 @Deino @MastanKhan @Oscar @Salza

I have to admit these are all "common sense" answers. Thanks to the Hindutva demagoguery and polemics, the common sense has taken a long vacation....
 
China should offer J20 if the J35 is not operational, it should be good enough for the PAF for even a decade or more.
We have seen that these "stealth" platforms are very high maintenance and involve secretive info the OEM manufacturer doesnt like sharing. The F35 is suffering the same shit.

Better to go for J20 in the meantime, its an upgrade from the J10C.
PAF will be even better with J20 rather than J10C. (imo)
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Pakistan Defence Latest

Latest Posts

Back
Top