Pakistan Air Force | News & Discussions

[RAJPUT]

Alhamdulillah, we have our own beautiful Airforce, we believe in it and continue to develop it.

Look at Iran's situation without airforces, that's nightmare!

Without proper air defense in place of measures to counter the ballistic missiles threat posed by the Brahmos, our air force is a sitting duck. IF, and a big if, India goes for a decapitation strike and targets our planes and other aerial assets as the first move of the war with an overwhelming volley of Brahmos missiles, we will have very limited options left other than to nuke some city of India to oblivion.
I think this is the very reason for the creation of the ARFC after the learnings post May 2025 war.
Also, no matter how strong of an air defense network you create, they are never fool proof. Suppose, 10 years down the line, India somehow has a stockpile of a 1000-1500 Brahmos. That would be an insane thing for the Pakistani high command to plan against and counter since I see no indication of hypersonic missile mass production in the next 5 years by the condition of our RnD. The air force has to plan for some underground lift system for the planes to be taxied into when not flying, which Iran sort of has but their air force was non-existent if not for the ancient Tomcats and the drones. Our military is more interested in domestic politics that worrying about such long term scenarios, because after one Chief's term ends, these problems are for the subsequent one to think about. I know they must be thinking a lot about these things, but there is just not enough being done that would not make us resort to nukes by sudden escalation.
No other region in the world has a higher chance of being a nuclear flashpoint than Pakistan nuking India and taking South Asia as a whole back to the Stone Ages which would take a millennium, if not ever, to recover from.

 

[RocketLaw]

Without proper air defense in place of measures to counter the ballistic missiles threat posed by the Brahmos, our air force is a sitting duck. IF, and a big if, India goes for a decapitation strike and targets our planes and other aerial assets as the first move of the war with an overwhelming volley of Brahmos missiles, we will have very limited options left other than to nuke some city of India to oblivion.
I think this is the very reason for the creation of the ARFC after the learnings from the Mat 2025 war.
Also, no matter how strong of an air defense network you create, they are never fool proof. Suppose, 10 years down the line, India somehow has a stockpile of a 1000-1500 Brahmos. That would be an insane thing for the Pakistani high command to plan against and counter since I see no indication of hypersonic missile mass production in the next 5 years by the condition of our RnD. The air force has to plan for some underground lift system for the planes to be taxied into when not flying, which Iran sort of has but their air force was non-existent if not for the ancient Tomcats and the drones. Our military is more interested in domestic politics that worrying about such long term scenarios, because after one Chief's term ends, these problems are for the subsequent one to think about. I know they must be thinking a lot about these things, but there is just not enough being done that would not make us resort to nukes by sudden escalation.
No other region in the world has a higher chance of being a nuclear flashpoint than Pakistan nuking India and taking South Asia as a whole back to the Stone Ages which would take a millennium, if not ever, to recover from.

I understand, that's a big IF.

I believe they are already aware of this and discussed multiple times from this forum, we will figure it out.

 

[Watandar]

Alhamdulillah, we have our own beautiful Airforce, we believe in it and continue to develop it.

Look at Iran's situation without airforces, that's nightmare!

That is nice but what if the PAF is neutered in a surprise attack or progressively degraded and destroyed over several weeks in a war ? What then ?

At a minimum Pakistan needs cheap yet good drones to continue attacking the enemy. Something much better than that Yiha junk.

 

[Sparten]

I would say they would be open - but the level of service depends upon your pockets and internal connections.
Same reason people would get angry at Toyota in Pakistan for repeating the same models for years but then their argument was always your market isnt close to being lucrative(or mature) enough.

And the Koreans, Germans (wuth Audi) and the Chinese disproved that theory.

 

[Toxic]

I have heard PAF is building a new airbase in Jiwani, they are upgrading the old Jiwani airstrip to accommodate fighter aircraft @Ak01 @Panzerkiel @Oscar
@side-winder

 

[rafale]

I have heard PAF is building a new airbase in Jiwani, they are upgrading the old Jiwani airstrip to accommodate fighter aircraft @Ak01 @Panzerkiel @Oscar
@side-winder

 

[Oscar]

And the Koreans, Germans (wuth Audi) and the Chinese disproved that theory.

The Koreans and Europeans did not just suddenly decide to jump into Pakistan in the last few years because they felt generous; they entered when the market purchasing power finally showed a tiny pulse. You conveniently ignore that Kia actually tried to enter the Pakistani market back in the 1990s with the Pride and Classic, and they completely failed. Why? Because the market purchasing power was so abysmal that nobody could afford them, leaving Suzuki to dominate the scraps. The same goes for Hyundai's early attempts. It took another twenty years for the market to mature just enough to sustain a few crossover SUVs.

This is exactly how global market power works, and it applies directly to why Maxar prioritizes India over Pakistan. Look at the raw historical numbers: even back in 2006 when Pakistan's auto market had a "boom," it sold around 180,000 cars a year. Meanwhile, India sells millions of cars annually, producing over 4 million vehicles in a single year. When your market crawls along selling a fraction of what your neighbor sells in a week, you do not get to dictate terms to global manufacturing giants.

The satellite imagery market operates on the exact same ruthless commercial logic. India has a massive space sector, launches its own surveillance networks, and has government and private agencies that are massive, high-paying clients for companies like Maxar. Pakistan, on the other hand, lacks comparable infrastructure and purchasing power. When a company like Maxar decides who gets priority access to tasking their satellites or buying high-resolution imagery over sensitive regions, they listen to the market that writes the biggest checks. India gets prioritized because their purchasing power commands the market.

 

[AeronautIR]

I would say they would be open - but the level of service depends upon your pockets and internal connections.
Same reason people would get angry at Toyota in Pakistan for repeating the same models for years but then their argument was always your market isnt close to being lucrative(or mature) enough.

US satellite firm Planet Labs announces blackout on war on Iran images | US-Israel war on Iran News | Al Jazeera https://share.google/x9cZlWkB78IuglfWP

 

[Yasser76]

US satellite firm Planet Labs announces blackout on war on Iran images | US-Israel war on Iran News | Al Jazeera https://share.google/x9cZlWkB78IuglfWP

Funny how they need to do this despite the US "winning".

 

[AeronautIR]

Funny how they need to do this despite the US "winning".

My point was regarding imagery of commercial satellite companies. They may or may not provide it to every customer.

 

[kimjongun]

My point was regarding imagery of commercial satellite companies. They may or may not provide it to every customer.

Did we looked towards the chinese way? they have some good quality sats..

 

[StormBreaker]

That is nice but what if the PAF is neutered in a surprise attack or progressively degraded and destroyed over several weeks in a war ? What then ?

At a minimum Pakistan needs cheap yet good drones to continue attacking the enemy. Something much better than that Yiha junk.

I’m pretty sure that if amateurs like us can think of this threat as the first thing that comes to our minds, For them, that would’ve been a resolved threat decades ago.

 

[AeronautIR]

Did we looked towards the chinese way? they have some good quality sats..

I think we did but can't release that, maybe to keep Chinese capability a secret.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

I have heard PAF is building a new airbase in Jiwani, they are upgrading the old Jiwani airstrip to accommodate fighter aircraft @Ak01 @Panzerkiel @Oscar
@side-winder

Is this Twitter speculation tier or from somewhere more reliable?

 

[Oscar]

I think we did but can't release that, maybe to keep Chinese capability a secret.

Indian 3 Star a few months ago was already open about how Pakistan was giving real time updates in terms of what vectors they were readying and warning on escalation levels based on that - basically his contention was this was Chinese Sat real time intel given to Pakistan.