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puttputt said:
I wish we had made the jump to producing the Mirage 3NG (fly-by-wire upgrade of the Mirage 3/5) locally. It would've given us a very good multirole fighter platform (Cheetah-level) to operate in the 1990s and 2000s until the JF-17 emerged. In fact, it would've given us the space to develop the JF-17 to B3+ standards from the start.

The fantasy fleet isn't even that good.

It should've been 4 A330 MRTTs, 12 Erieye-ERs mounted to E195/E2 plus 28 C390s, duh.
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Was trying to balance an imaginary budget!
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hasssanali8998 said:
bhai just support and Sustainment for the radars we already have , nothing new
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@MirageV3ff

What it actually means is a better performing APG-68(V) 9 ....
  • Improved detection reliability
  • Enhanced target tracking stability
  • Increased resistance to electronic warfare
  • Reduced downtime (higher sortie availability)
  • Better signal processing results in improved target detection in clutter and increases tracking quality at longer distances
What it means is that it will keep current radars sharp, reliable, and relevant
 
Fatman17 said:
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Demand Tracker: The Pakistan Air Force’s Air Training System Requirements - Quwa

The PAF's training fleet dates to the 1960s–1980s, but its frontline fighters now demand 4.5th-gen workflows. This tracker maps the gaps and opportunities.
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PAF air training system requirements
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Biggest issue facing PAF I think. Training on T-37s and K-8s then going to J-10C/J-35s is simply not good enough. Training has been PAF's edge, and seems like from a platform point of view things are deteriorating....
 
Yasser76 said:
Biggest issue facing PAF I think. Training on T-37s and K-8s then going to J-10C/J-35s is simply not good enough. Training has been PAF's edge, and seems like from a platform point of view things are deteriorating....
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All fighters have a B model for fighter training except for the J-10CE.
The article is mainly about training pilots at the basic and advanced stage. PAF needs a OCU level aircraft.
 
Fatman17 said:
All fighters have a B model for fighter training except for the J-10CE.
The article is mainly about training pilots at the basic and advanced stage. PAF needs a OCU level aircraft.
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For sure something like L-15 would be ideal, but cost will be a big problem. I think next decade J-35/KJ-500 will hoover up all spend.

Not a great situation to be in.

Also PAF tends to train a lot of Arab officers. Qataris send their cadet pilots to Risalpur to fly T-37s and K-8s and back in Qatar they have PC-21s and M-346s.....
 
The fact that the PAF continues to operate both the T-37 and K-8's, with the K-8's were "meant" to replace to the T-37s, shows how complete PAFs modernisation plans can be sometimes. The fact, that so little of K-8s manufacturing was done in Pakistan compared with Egypt's approach shows this.

Had PAF completed the K8 replacement programme, then it would not have had the problem how to make both K8 and T-37 "both" upgraded and relevant in the training programme.

PAF desperately needs a budget hike, so that it can actually complete its development programmes fully "fleetwide", the Army has to give up some of it budget in this regard.
 
Ali_Baba said:
The fact that the PAF continues to operate both the T-37 and K-8's, with the K-8's were "meant" to replace to the T-37s, shows how complete PAFs modernisation plans can be sometimes. The fact, that so little of K-8s manufacturing was done in Pakistan compared with Egypt's approach shows this.

Had PAF completed the K8 replacement programme, then it would not have had the problem how to make both K8 and T-37 "both" upgraded and relevant in the training programme.

PAF desperately needs a budget hike, so that it can actually complete its development programmes fully "fleetwide", the Army has to give up some of it budget in this regard.
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T-37s cannot be upgraded. Need a replacement aircraft
 
Ali_Baba said:
The fact that the PAF continues to operate both the T-37 and K-8's, with the K-8's were "meant" to replace to the T-37s, shows how complete PAFs modernisation plans can be sometimes. The fact, that so little of K-8s manufacturing was done in Pakistan compared with Egypt's approach shows this.

Had PAF completed the K8 replacement programme, then it would not have had the problem how to make both K8 and T-37 "both" upgraded and relevant in the training programme.

PAF desperately needs a budget hike, so that it can actually complete its development programmes fully "fleetwide", the Army has to give up some of it budget in this regard.
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Totally agree, going off topic here, but we can look at a downsizing of the army to some degree. Having said that, the army has put off a lot of modernisation programmes so Navy and PAF could get better kit. Ultimately COAS/CDF is the main decision maker and the fact that they allowed Army projects to take a back seat shows that Army truely understands the importance of air power.

We will seen have 5th Gen jets in our air force while our land forces still use G-3s and T-69s...
 
rAli said:
If the deployment to GCCs becomes permanent, Pakistan will finally have the strategic depth it desired.
Why be limited to Chinese platforms? Saudi wants bigger bang for the buck, let PAF have a Squadron or two of Typhoons to build tactics and plans.
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no more to Western weapons

make Arabs pay for Chinese equipment that Pakistan is great at using

another J10CP squadron backed by KJ-500 AWACS paid by Saudi if they want PAF to be permanently stationed in Saudi
 
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