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[r3alist]

Wow! Will be a lot of cope today. So we got serial numbers of 4, and Warnes adds another 4 have not returned to service. So possibly 8 Rafales out of action!?

Iaf seriously need to show their latest inventory a bit

 

[Yasser76]

Iaf seriously need to show their latest inventory a bit

If true, they could be down to just 28 Rafales.

1.5 Squadrons.....

 

[TAC]

Can anyone confirm what serial number this jet is? Got a scale model to make

 

[r3alist]

If true, they could be down to just 28 Rafales.

1.5 Squadrons.....

And How many pilots are left to fly these potent machines

 

[bravo_1]

This is interesting.

This is one of them right?

 

[Ali_Baba]

People should go out and also buy a copy of the magazine, partly to thank AFM for the article, but mostly cause it is a good piece of history you can refer back to in the future.

The real "new" news from this is
- There was also a Rafale that was shot down over Srinagar, making 4 actual shootdowns of Rafales( prior to this, it was thought it was a Rafale that landed but was written off and claimed as a shoot down).
- There are 4 more Rafales that also took hits, and are in various states of "repair".

No reference to any shoot downs by Pakistan's IADS in this article. There does seem to be a 'gap' in the overall reporting of the event it seems.

 

[Yasser76]

People should go out and also buy a copy of the magazine, partly to thank AFM for the article, but mostly cause it is a good piece of history you can refer back to in the future.

The real "new" news from this is
- There was also a Rafale that was shot down over Srinagar, making 4 actual shootdowns.
- There are 4 more Rafales that tooks hits, and are in various states of "repair".

Yes, will buy one next time travelling to work at WH Smith, you are right, we need to support AFM and WARNES.

8 Rafales out of action is shocking.

ALos now it seems we have confirmed serials of the 4 taken down.

 

[TAC]

Yes, will buy one next time travelling to work at WH Smith, you are right, we need to support AFM and WARNES.

8 Rafales out of action is shocking.

ALos now it seems we have confirmed serials of the 4 taken down.

Indeed, amazing insights & far more comprehensive than any earlier reports. Will be ordering it online as soon as it’s available. Delivery is free & fast too.

 

[aurelianpilled]

How can you be so sure?

I think the claim that a SPICE-2000 bomb hit Nur Khan is a bit off, since the SPICE-2000's maximum range is around 60 km (official) to let's say 70 km at very high-altitude and high-speed scenarios, whereas the distance to that exact location hit at Nur Khan from the LoC is about 82 km. Plus, it must have been released from a distance exceeding 100km from the LoC for sure because of the fear of our PL-15E sniping his ass instantly.
So, how can a bomb that has no propulsion, being just a glide kit fitted to a Mark 84, reach a pinpoint location completely outside its range with a precise hit?



Even if we suppose that the Mirage 2000 released it at very optimistic/high altitude and high-speed case, it still doesn't make any sense because 1) 100km+ distance for a SPICE-2000 is literally impossible and 2) that Mirage 2000 would have been instantly exposed and literally shot down instantly just like what we did on the night of 6/7 May.

My personal opinion is that it is surely our perspective so maybe we are trying to downplay the Indian success on May 10 like its Storm Shadows and BrahMos hitting our critical yet mostly empty infrastructure. So maybe we are just playing that "nah, our most important air base Nur Khan wasn't hit by a SCALP-EG or a BrahMos, they were all intercepted, but rather a mere SPICE-2000 bomb." OR maybe and most likely, Alan Warnes must have misheard it all together and mixed up things in his article.

 

[Yasser76]

I think the claim that a SPICE-2000 bomb hit Nur Khan is a bit off, since the SPICE-2000's maximum range is around 60 km (official) to let's say 70 km at very high-altitude and high-speed scenarios, whereas the distance to that exact location hit at Nur Khan from the LoC is about 82 km. Plus, it must have been released from a distance exceeding 100km from the LoC for sure because of the fear of our PL-15E sniping his ass instantly.
So, how can a bomb that has no propulsion, being just a glide kit fitted to a Mark 84, reach a pinpoint location completely outside its range with a precise hit?

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Even if we suppose that the Mirage 2000 released it at very optimistic/high altitude and high-speed case, it still doesn't make any sense because 1) 100km+ distance for a SPICE-2000 is literally impossible and 2) that Mirage 2000 would have been instantly exposed and literally shot down instantly just like what we did on the night of 6/7 May.

My personal opinion is that it is surely our perspective so maybe we are trying to downplay the Indian success on May 10 like its Storm Shadows and BrahMos hitting our critical yet mostly empty infrastructure. So maybe we are just playing that "nah, our most important air base Nur Khan wasn't hit by a SCALP-EG or a BrahMos, they were all intercepted, but rather a mere SPICE-2000 bomb."

Disagree, a hit is a hit, does not really matter what weapon was used, Indians hit some targets.

Whole report seemed to be very open and honest from PAF point if view. To the point now it is embaressing for India

 

[aurelianpilled]

Disagree, a hit is a hit, does not really matter what weapon was used, Indians hit some targets.

Whole report seemed to be very open and honest from PAF point if view. To the point now it is embaressing for India

I am certainly not saying that the target wasn't hit, I am just saying that it was hit by a SCALP-EG and not a SPICE-2000 bomb and since it is our perspective, we will surely downplay some of the Indian successes on May 10

 

[Yasser76]

I am certainly not saying that the target wasn't hit, I am just saying that it was hit by a SCALP-EG and not a SPICE-2000 bomb and since it is our perspective, we will surely downplay some of the Indian successes on May 10

Possibly, but my reading of it was PAF was very honest with Warnes.

We admitted the Saab Erieye damage when we could have denied it

 

[side-winder]

I think the claim that a SPICE-2000 bomb hit Nur Khan is a bit off, since the SPICE-2000's maximum range is around 60 km (official) to let's say 70 km at very high-altitude and high-speed scenarios, whereas the distance to that exact location hit at Nur Khan from the LoC is about 82 km. Plus, it must have been released from a distance exceeding 100km from the LoC for sure because of the fear of our PL-15E sniping his ass instantly.
So, how can a bomb that has no propulsion, being just a glide kit fitted to a Mark 84, reach a pinpoint location completely outside its range with a precise hit?

View attachment 147103

Even if we suppose that the Mirage 2000 released it at very optimistic/high altitude and high-speed case, it still doesn't make any sense because 1) 100km+ distance for a SPICE-2000 is literally impossible and 2) that Mirage 2000 would have been instantly exposed and literally shot down instantly just like what we did on the night of 6/7 May.

My personal opinion is that it is surely our perspective so maybe we are trying to downplay the Indian success on May 10 like its Storm Shadows and BrahMos hitting our critical yet mostly empty infrastructure. So maybe we are just playing that "nah, our most important air base Nur Khan wasn't hit by a SCALP-EG or a BrahMos, they were all intercepted, but rather a mere SPICE-2000 bomb." OR maybe, Alan Warnes must have misheard it all together and mixed up things in his article.

You are right. Warnes messed up here. This is one of the inaccuracies in the article. For example, it also claims IAF struck all 9 sites on 7th - and all using Spice 2000. Both statements not true. Even IAF claimed only 2 sites struck by IAF.

At 1230hrs on May 7, that attack came when the IAF bombed nine sites in Pakistan with long-range Spice 2000 precision-guided bombs.

 

[mythbuster]

Possibly, but my reading of it was PAF was very honest with Warnes.

We admitted the Saab Erieye damage when we could have denied it

PAF folks are groomed in a different way.... they are always straight shooters.

 

[Yasser76]

You are right. Warnes messed up here. This is one of inaccuracies in the article. For example, it also claims IAF struck all 9 sites on 7th - and all using Spice 2000. Both statements not true.

Could be a genuine error on his part, he was interviewing quite a few people and travelling around Pakistan quite a bit