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[Falcon26]

Why is the claim preposterous?

Even in your list you state a breadth of take downs, this clearly suggests near total domination.

There could be slight exaggerations here and there

It’s preposterous because you can’t make an unsubstantiated claim. What separates you from the Indians with their f-16 shot down in 2019 and 6 PAF jets shot down in May claim? Cough up the evidence or shut up. Simple as that.

 

[Falcon26]

He is in pain still, lots of westerners are

Get a grip of yourself dude.

 

[r3alist]

It’s preposterous because you can’t make an unsubstantiated claim. What separates you from the Indians with their f-16 shot down in 2019 and 6 PAF jets shot down in May claim? Cough up the evidence or shut up. Simple as that.

What separates from the Indians is that undoubtedly paf has achieved air kills greater than zero.

So one side has zero, the other has at least half a dozen.


So who should shut up, isnt that obvious?


Simple as that

 

[Ali_Baba]

Claims of “4 Rafales shot down” seems to be psychological warfare from
PAF rather than a real event. Certainly, claim that PAF has “irrefutable evidence” of 4 Rafales shot down is preposterous. If this was factual, PAF would have released the evidence long time ago as no military allows their enemies to safe face, especially against an enemy that has crossed all decency and honorable behavior.

1. Rafale
1. SU-30mki
1. Mirage-2000
1. MiG-29
1. Heron Uav

Are the verifiable losses IAF sustained against PAF. Everything else requires a proof.

Donald trump himself said it was 6 or 7 jets shot down across multiple interviews. He was briefed by the USAF, so if you don't like Pakistan's view, then will you accept the statements from the USA President ????

 

[Sepp]

If a lone JF-17 targeted the Adampur S-400, the other probably hit Barnala, though specific details are still scant. No mention of outcome of en targeting our radars etc. 6 x SJs with 8 aircraft claimed still is a bit off.

 

[Falcon26]

Donald trump himself said it was 6 or 7 jets shot down across multiple interviews. He was briefed by the USAF, so if you don't like Pakistan's view, then will you accept the statements from the USA President ????

Without hard evidence, nothing can be accepted.

Basic common sense but then common sense isn’t so common among south Asians.

 

[Yasser76]

Without hard evidence, nothing can be accepted.

Basic common sense but then common sense isn’t so common among south Asians.

Yeah, once side has hard evidence the other does not.

Simple question, if PAF has the balls the state actual serial numbers, IAF could easily just show these planes and make a mockery of PAF claims. IAF have been bending over backward to try and prove PAF wrong, so this is an easy win right?

As for your statement about South Asians, I know you probably have an intense interest in derailing this thread, but try not to. It is obvious from a mile off....

 

[Yasser76]

Donald trump himself said it was 6 or 7 jets shot down across multiple interviews. He was briefed by the USAF, so if you don't like Pakistan's view, then will you accept the statements from the USA President ????

He knows this, dont take his bait

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Without hard evidence, nothing can be accepted.

Basic common sense but then common sense isn’t so common among south Asians.

Hard evidence?!!!

how hard?!!!

Rafale shot at 200 KM (that hard enough?!)

truth speaks for itself, does not need hard or soft presumptions!

 

[arsalan345]

S-400 hit was a very dangerous mission. our jet was in the missile range of rafale but rafale didn't act. it's strange. Obviously some of the capabilities can't be made public. We must understand that we can't leave any target. A-50 should have been targetted. this refrain and this fear of all attack war is a negative mindset. let me tell you if india decides, all out war will start. nobody can stop it.

Also there is a need to procure h6k bombers and j-16. We need effective ground attack options. We lack in this department.

Operation bunyal on may 10 is not well explained because PAF doesn't want to tell more. Colonel sofia was crying on the same day that their airbases are under attack etc.

Overall i am satisfied but there is a need to improve more. doctorine should be to attack every indian jet within our range if they release paylod. no need for permission from the boss. boss should change this rule. it happens so fast that you have mere seconds. also boss must tell ACE that we should do preemptive strikes if they release smart bombs. This is why PAF needs h6k bombers and j-16s.

A missile like brahmos can be made jointly by china and pakistan. Pakistan needs hypersonic cruise missile and we also need it's air launched version. we lack in the department so work hard and fill the gaps.

Long live PAF!

 

[Ali_Baba]

Without hard evidence, nothing can be accepted.

Basic common sense but then common sense isn’t so common among south Asians.

"Common sense" dictates, that the age of "gun camera shots" to prove kills is over and people need to adapt to new ways of kill verification.

Kills made up to 200km in enemy territory, where they are looking to disguise their losses by their nature will have to be proved electronically. PAF has clearly stated it has made its confirmations through multiple sources both from multiple radars tracking the same object, as well as intelligence sources. We have some random luck of 4 picture sites where locals were able to get to the sites and take pictures before the IAF was able to cordon those areas off and remove the wreckage. The remaining three landed in remote and inaccessible locations that were difficult for the locals to get to, and wreckage removed promptly.

PAF has shared its evidence with Alan Warnes as part his report and he was sufficiently happy with that, to run with the story with those kill values. There were no clauses in his commentary on the kills.

PAF has clearly stated airframe numbers of confirmed kills, and those that were damaged but managed to limp home. That is how confident PAF is of its results.

Those 7 IAF jet shoot downs are confirmed kills. The IAF knows, the USAF knows it, the PAF knows, the entire military aviation ecosystem accepts those figures as correct now. If you want to sit in a lone corner, saying that because you have personally not seen the photos, then they did not happen, well, good luck to you.

 

[niubi]

7 IAF fighters claimed by secondary PAF sources and Trump could be:

1 Su-30MKI
1 Mig-29
1 Mirage 2000
that leaves 4 Rafale

Confirmed wrecks from photos and videos shared by Indian social media before the Indian government pulled internet blackout and social media censorship including over 800 twitter accounts:

1 Su-30MKI
1 Mig-29
1 Rafale certain identified by M88 engine without split and by tail
1 Rafale identified by M88 engine with split down the centre (this could be from the same Rafale as above though)
1 Rafale or Mirage 2000 identified by Mica missile and weapon pylon. Some have identified this weapon pylon to belong to Rafale only and not Mirage.

This is at least 4 different fighters, possibly up to 5 fighters, confirmed with videos and photos from different angles. Also the French fighter identified by mica and pylon was separate to the two Rafale wrecks.

 

[sutton9999]

It’s preposterous because you can’t make an unsubstantiated claim. What separates you from the Indians with their f-16 shot down in 2019 and 6 PAF jets shot down in May claim? Cough up the evidence or shut up. Simple as that.

Indian general's face, even a Labrador can read it, you can't?

 

[White Privilege]

Why restraint PAF,should have shot down the A-50 at Agra, they damaged our SAAB.....

 

[Ali_Baba]

Why restraint PAF,should have shot down the A-50 at Agra, they damaged our SAAB.....

PAF has this concept of restraint. Not sure why. They allude to wanting to stop a war from starting and providing face saving for the IAF.

PAF should have taken out the A50, as that is a significant military capability for them to have lost (imho).