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At one point we used to ban people using the term “failed state” for Pakistan in the former forum.

We were wrong - Pakistan is the ultimate example of a failed state, running a sham and a scam facade of democracy and rule of law.

A country hijacked by the elite, run by them for them and no one else.
 
Oscar said:
At one point we used to ban people using the term “failed state” for Pakistan in the former forum.

We were wrong - Pakistan is the ultimate example of a failed state, running a sham and a scam facade of democracy and rule of law.

A country hijacked by the elite, run by them for them and no one else.
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At the very core, what we all didn’t want to believe was that the people of Pakistan are not docile animals. Probably it was a bias due to belonging to this group ourselves.

We always had this unsaid feeling that we are somehow superior in our social sense compared to countries like Egypt.

We were wrong due to our bias, the fact of the matter actually is that most people will crawl on all four if told to and we are probably one of the the most docile and mentally weak people.
 
Oscar said:
At one point we used to ban people using the term “failed state” for Pakistan in the former forum.

We were wrong - Pakistan is the ultimate example of a failed state, running a sham and a scam facade of democracy and rule of law.

A country hijacked by the elite, run by them for them and no one else.
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Man its not just Pakistan. Our entire darned region is failed in that sense. There is no rule of law in our region. Democracy here is an open shit show of money, power and con-artistry. "Elites" is our weird fascination for colonial era. They are essentially standins for British.
 
Qazi is extremely corrupt ... he broke the record of all past corrupt judges.
 

Brightest lawyers see proposed constitutional court as an existential challenge​

Constitutional courts​

Editorial
October 2, 2024

THE decision-makers in Rawalpindi and Islamabad should have taken the hint. Instead, their determination to have the controversial ‘constitutional package’ bulldozed through parliament with another attempt is now uniting the legal community in anger and indignation.

Over the weekend, some 300 lawyers from across the country — including some of the most notable names in the profession — signed on to an open letter addressed to the judges of the superior judiciary, urging them to refuse to take any part in a ‘constitutional court’ that is set up under this government’s secretive legislative agenda.

Saying that they recognise the Supreme Court and the high courts as the only ‘constitutional courts’ of the country, the lawyers warned the judiciary against repeating past mistakes, regretting, in particular, that “Our higher judiciary has, for many decades now, lent legitimacy to a sustained assault on our Constitution and on our democracy”.

Underlining their opposition to the proposal to set up a new ‘constitutional court’, these representatives of the legal community have made it clear that, in their eyes, such a court would be considered a PCO court, “and those who take the oath to serve on it will be PCO judges”.

This is unusually strong phrasing by the lawyers’ community. While they doubtless would have debated the merits and demerits of a constitutional court more congenially in a different context, right now, the brightest minds in the profession are seeing it as an existential challenge: a move that represents a continuation of the series of assaults launched by military dictators on Pakistan’s constitutional order in the past.

There is no question that the timing of the move has tainted its intent — perhaps irrevocably. After all, the government has made it clear that it has little regard for the judiciary and its prerogatives. Perhaps the proposal would have been seen more charitably had the government demonstrated that it is as subservient to the law like everyone else. Instead, it chose to disregard, even sabotage, express orders of the Supreme Court on multiple occasions, with the latest being in the reserved seats case.

Given that it has established that it will not obey legal authority except when it is bent in its favour, how can it expect any court established by it to be seen as fair and impartial? It is even more troubling that the government wants to handpick the judge who will sit atop this proposed constitutional court. This will not only compromise the new court further but also potentially sully the reputation of whichever judge agrees to lead it.

The lawyers have agreed that they will not engage with this idea because they do not see it as rooted in good faith. The judiciary, too, must soon make its position known.

Published in Dawn, October 2nd, 2024
 
French revolution is a working example of what happens when elite control lives of poor , and eventually everything collapses

History has lesson for the wise , but people forget about History and assume it will be a different outcome now
 
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Bilawal affirms commitment to constitutional amendments ahead of Oct 25 deadline​

PPP chairman asserts party will not abandon the constitutional court matter, vowing to see it through to completion

News Desk
October 02, 2024

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PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. PHOTO: FACEBOOK/PPP

Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has reiterated his commitment to completing the constitutional amendments, stating that if they are finalised before October 25, the matter can be resolved peacefully.

In a session with reporters in Islamabad on Wednesday, Bilawal was asked about his stance on former prime minister Imran Khan's military trial. He replied, “We need to assess the evidence first; after all, we have the authority to grant a presidential pardon.” He maintained that the PPP stands against the death penalty.

When questioned about the proposed constitutional amendments and their deadline of October 25, he stated, “If the amendments are made before October 25, the matter can be settled peacefully. While they can be done later, it may lead to confrontational situations.”

He further asserted that the PPP would not abandon the matter concerning the constitutional court, vowing to see it through to completion. “We have already faced significant delays; our demands date back to 2006 and are part of our manifesto,” he added.

Bilawal also criticised the judiciary's timing regarding certain actions, questioning why the timing of the injunction on reserved seats was not being scrutinised. He pointed out that the judiciary's four-page clarification issued on September 14, the day of a parliamentary session, raised questions about the judicial timing.

He mentioned that the head of the constitutional court would serve a three-year term and expressed his opposition to the establishment of military courts, emphasising that the justification for the federal constitutional court lies in the Supreme Court's historical precedents.

On the Karachi unrest case, which has been ongoing since 2011, Bilawal noted that the judiciary had affected the local government system under the pretext of this case, questioning whether unrest existed only in Karachi, as Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan also face similar issues.

He further criticised the political manoeuvring regarding the selection of the next Army Chief, suggesting that events on May 9 were bordering on insurrection. He warned that if constitutional amendments are not enacted, the resulting situation might spiral beyond anyone's control, noting that the 18th Amendment had previously blocked the path to martial law
 

Govt lacks two-thirds majority for constitutional amendments: Bilawal​

PPP chairman calls for non-political judiciary, critiques govt's approach to judicial reforms

News
October 03, 2024

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Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. PHOTO: PID

Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has stated that the judiciary must remain completely apolitical, noting that the government lacks the two-thirds majority required for constitutional amendments and is attempting to bring Maulana Fazlur Rehman on board regarding this issue.

In an interview with a private television channel on Wednesday, Bilawal expressed that it would have been more beneficial if the government had consulted the PPP regarding judicial reforms before making announcements.

He criticised the government for not approaching the party first and highlighted that the law minister had announced reforms in the Supreme Court without prior discussions.

Bilawal pointed out that direct intervention had been made in the judicial reform process, reiterating that the PPP has long opposed military courts, as stated in their manifesto.

He remarked that while the founders of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) may choose not to engage with politicians, the public will hold them accountable during elections.

He further noted that both the PPP and the government agreed on the necessity of judicial reforms, but he suggested that the amendments could have been presented in a better manner. “If the government has different proposals for judicial reforms, it should be discussed openly,” he added.

Continuing his critique, Bilawal stated that political stability can only be established by political forces. He accused the PTI founders of rejecting the Charter of Democracy, viewing it as a compromise, and claimed they lack interest in improving democracy and governance.

He asserted that Pakistan has become a democratic country, free from past issues, and highlighted that the PTI leadership had previously stated they would accept accountability and imprisonment if necessary.
 

Constitutional package still in limbo as consensus eludes parliamentary committee​

Nadir Guramani
October 11, 2024

The government’s much-touted constitutional amendment remains in limbo as consensus eluded the Friday meeting of the parliamentary committee set up to debate the package.

The much-talked-about Constitutional Package is legislation proposing a set of constitutional amendments, including the extension of the top judge’s term.

Three separate drafts of the constitutional package are being prepared – one by the government, the second by the PPP, and the third by the Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F).

The committee, led by PPP’s Khursheed Shah, has the representation of all parties, including the PTI. It was formed by the National Assembly speaker for reconciliation among lawmakers, particularly between the PTI and the government, after a raid by plainclothesmen to round up the PTI men from the Parliament House.

The parliamentary committee meeting took place today where major political parties, including the PML-N, PPP, PTI and JUI-F, discussed drafts for the constitutional package.

Talking to reporters after the meeting, Law Minister Azam Nazeer Tarar said recommendations were presented to the committee but the members could not reach any agreement.

“The PTI asked for time to examine and they did not give their opinions today,” he said, adding that the JUI-F, which was expected to share its suggestions at today’s meeting, was asked to share its draft as well. He said the party might present its draft tomorrow.

“We will meet tomorrow at noon to take matters forward,” he added. Tarar said the suggestions from the government and the bar bodies were brought before the committee and it was decided to have another meeting on Saturday.

JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman said the government shared a draft for the first time, adding that the PPP and JUI-F will have talks with one another and make attempts to produce one draft, after which it will be shared for consultation with the PML-N and PTI to achieve consensus.

He said other political parties would be brought aboard as well.

PTI leaders Amir Dogar and Barrister Ali Gohar were also present at the meeting.

Gohar said that the PTI would give suggestions when a detailed draft was presented.

“We have not seen anything from the government,” he said.

Meanwhile, Dogar said that the government’s draft “has ambiguity” and it should present plans to the committee with clarity. He said further committee meetings would be held.

“The amendment requires more time,” he said, adding, “We will talk with party members and experts, and with Maulana Fazlur Rehman as we have an understanding.”

Earlier, the PPP and PML-N decided to postpone the much-touted constitutional amendment until after the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) summit, and agreed to incorporate the suggestions put forth by Fazl as the ruling coalition woos his support to achieve a two-thirds majority in parliament.
 
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