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United States has been conducting drone strikes in Pakistan for decades, even killing Osama Bin Laden in Abbottabad—yet Pakistan never declared war on the U.S. So why can’t a similar understanding exist between India and Pakistan? If India has credible evidence of terrorist infrastructure on Pakistani soil, it should have the right to neutralize those threats, just as the U.S. has done.
Your statement is exactly what I see as the most brutal and realistic aspect of the India Pakistan conflict. India does not treat the other side as a human being. You are using a conqueror or comparing India to the world hegemon, the United States. No wonder I see a lot of Indian people making comments like yours on x.I learned the most practical thing: facing India. Only suitable for the law of the jungle, the law of the jungle, survival of the fittest.
 
This is quite devoid of reality.

"I am sick of the BrahMos Hype . BrahMost isn’t some silver bullet. India fired 40 to 50 of them, and what’s the outcome? A few damaged hangars? Not a single high-value target taken out. Zero."

It was very clear India kept its hand restrained too- there was literally nothing stopping them from escalating heavily and striking at will. You're doing a great job at 'attempting' to minimise the impact. India was able to strike wherever they wanted, deep inside pak airspace, attacking airfields far inland. Thats something we did not think could happen. If they wanted to, they would have done 10x more damage and we'd have done nothing about it.

"Yeah, it’s fast—but it turns like a 16-wheeler ( cant do effective midcourse correction). And it’s been jammed, spoofed, and even shot down"

So why were they unable to be intercepted? Thats my question, the forces had the radar data, the forces knew what to expect and what to look for, since theyve got this huge turn radius and fly in a straght line, why did so many get through?


"And it’s been jammed, spoofed, and even shot down"
Lets pretend 10 were launched- they claimed 16, of which, 2 were verifiably intercepted/duds. A 20% interception rate does not bode well. What you saw in Lahore was an Israeli Rampage missile- as evident by the canards. Also, they have their own INS to fall back on, how do you jam a RLG based INS? They have a 1m CEP, lets pretend they're wholly relying on INS guidance, all youve done is degrade their CEP, not deny their ability to effectively strike...

"Why would Brahmos be a threat to China. The Chinese already have something far superior than the Brahmos , its called CJ-100 CM (DF-100). Its faster ( Hypersonic) and has a bigger range and better navigation."

Because it has serious destructive power? Because its an extremely capable and deadly missile? Why are we hell bent on becoming like the Indians and brushing things off? It blows my mind that the Indian armed forces could literally crater every single airbase with a swarm of BrahMos and you're here pretending the situation is ok. If tomorrow, a full scale war kicked off, half the PAF would be destroyed on the ground...
You can argue all they want with “could have,” “would have,” and “should have” takes? You can see Areesh's post to view the brahmos wreckage. Anyone with an iota of a neuron can look at all the footage out there and determine if brahmos was intercepted or not.

The reality is that India hypes BrahMos like it’s some mythical weapon forged by Thor himself—unbeatable and godlike. But let’s be honest: it’s based on a two-decade-old p-800 design. It has a predictable flight path, a large radar cross-section, and uses active radar homing—making it vulnerable to ECM and spoofing. Its low maneuverability limits its ability to strike mobile targets, and its warhead isn't designed to destroy hardened shelters. It’s not even hypersonic, which means any modern air defense system can intercept it.

And even if a few BrahMos missiles do slip past air defenses, they’re not going to wipe out the entire Pakistan Air Force. That claim is pure fantasy.

’I’ve already shared examples proving that cruise and surface-to-surface missile strikes are limited in scope. Russia has fired over 2,800 missiles—including Kh-101s, Kh-55s, P-800s, and even the hypersonic Kinzhal—yet Ukraine continues to strike targets inside mainland Russia.

No war is won without air superiority—missiles alone aren’t enough, no matter how many excuses are made. You claim the PAF would have been destroyedyet your own CDS admitted the Indian Air Force’s entire Western Command was grounded for two full days.

Coming to the second part of argument, Why would china be threatened by Brahmos.
Have you seen China’s air defense capabilities? They possess the largest and most sophisticated integrated air defense (IAD) network in the world. We're talking about an estimated 400–600 air defense batteries (excluding anti-aircraft guns). Among these are over 200 long-range SAM batteries, including advanced systems like the S-300, S-400, HQ-9, HQ-22, and HQ-12.

And that’s not all. When you factor in self-propelled anti-aircraft guns, radar systems, and short-to-medium-range interceptors, the total number of air defense units across the PLA likely exceeds several hundred thousand. This is a layered, overlapping network designed to counter cruise missiles, aircraft, and ballistic threats with redundancy.

So no, BrahMos missiles—based on an outdated design, with a large RCS and predictable flight path—aren’t going to shake Beijing. The idea that China would be deterred by BrahMos is not just unrealistic—it’s laughable.
 
"if launched in volume"
we dont have volume!
"Sarkash and blaze"
These are concepts on paper that dont exist yet sadly
Historically Pak developed Ballistic Missiles for Strategic role only so we have BMs & CMs in limited numbers.
But now ,Pak is going to develop/adapt them for conventional role aka Fatah series.

So I believe there will be more focus on mass production.Granted we are late in this game and we payed the price in this recent escalation but 5-10 years down the line, when Fatah series is scaled up,lot of stuff will be produced in house to bring down costs.
Very recently,we started production of drones ( S2) ,CMs,Radars, Possibly SAMs & BMs , don't you think we are going in right direction?
 
In their eyes, they needed to hit these sites, which they did, not sure how you can argue this...? Not sure how you can also argue our failure to defend these sites.

"Since IAF was grounded they tried to take revenge by hitting PAF aircrafts on ground. Objective failed."

This would be a significant escalation so i doubt it, but an erieye was hit.

"Airbases have 3 runaways, they only hit 1. Didn't prevent aircrafts to take off."
really? are we really playing the bury our head in the sand game?

"They didn't fire brahmos to show off, they wanted some real damage on ground to take revenge of 6-0. Once they failed to do so and Pakistan would likely move on from Fatah rockets in next stage, they called USA for ceasefire. The END"

They have thousands of BrahMos- they can fire dozens and it not matter. We fired fatah's Yihas etc and hit nothing, so what was that about? Was it to show off or was it they got taken out?

Pakistan cannot stop if someone want to fire some missile at it.

Hitting airbases to destroy aircrafts wouldnt be significant escalation when they already lost 6-0 first. In their own airspace.

C 130 was hit in Pindi Nur Khanbase. But it will fly so damage was minor. Erieye destroyed, 8 F-16 etc is all Indian propaganda.

Airbases have 3 runaways how crater on 1 prevent aircrafts to take off?

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Your whole premise to defend Indian army is that they didnt fire 50 brahmos to cause any damage, just to show off. I call BS on that. They wanted to destroy PAF aircrafts and failed.
 
You can argue all they want with “could have,” “would have,” and “should have” takes? You can see Areesh's post to view the brahmos wreckage. Anyone with an iota of a neuron can look at all the footage out there and determine if brahmos was intercepted or not.

The reality is that India hypes BrahMos like it’s some mythical weapon forged by Thor himself—unbeatable and godlike. But let’s be honest: it’s based on a two-decade-old p-800 design. It has a predictable flight path, a large radar cross-section, and uses active radar homing—making it vulnerable to ECM and spoofing. Its low maneuverability limits its ability to strike mobile targets, and its warhead isn't designed to destroy hardened shelters. It’s not even hypersonic, which means any modern air defense system can intercept it.

And even if a few BrahMos missiles do slip past air defenses, they’re not going to wipe out the entire Pakistan Air Force. That claim is pure fantasy.

’I’ve already shared examples proving that cruise and surface-to-surface missile strikes are limited in scope. Russia has fired over 2,800 missiles—including Kh-101s, Kh-55s, P-800s, and even the hypersonic Kinzhal—yet Ukraine continues to strike targets inside mainland Russia.

No war is won without air superiority—missiles alone aren’t enough, no matter how many excuses are made. You claim the PAF would have been destroyedyet your own CDS admitted the Indian Air Force’s entire Western Command was grounded for two full days.

Coming to the second part of argument, Why would china be threatened by Brahmos.
Have you seen China’s air defense capabilities? They possess the largest and most sophisticated integrated air defense (IAD) network in the world. We're talking about an estimated 400–600 air defense batteries (excluding anti-aircraft guns). Among these are over 200 long-range SAM batteries, including advanced systems like the S-300, S-400, HQ-9, HQ-22, and HQ-12.

And that’s not all. When you factor in self-propelled anti-aircraft guns, radar systems, and short-to-medium-range interceptors, the total number of air defense units across the PLA likely exceeds several hundred thousand. This is a layered, overlapping network designed to counter cruise missiles, aircraft, and ballistic threats with redundancy.

So no, BrahMos missiles—based on an outdated design, with a large RCS and predictable flight path—aren’t going to shake Beijing. The idea that China would be deterred by BrahMos is not just unrealistic—it’s laughable.

The Indians once also hyped Su-30 MKI and Rafale. We all know what happened. BrahMos is nothing special. Pakistan will match this with its own hypersonic missile. No doubt whatsoever.

Fact remains that India got a jaw breaking reply. Modi has gone into hiding. India had promised a new wave after initial attack. It never came. That is enough indication that India has no answer to Pakistan's retaliation.
 
Solution Triple the production of Babur, Raad.
Induct Sarkash, Blaze in insane volume. Barhamos is quite expensive $5-6 mil, a thousand maybe less.
BrahMos is indeed an expensive missile, but its payments are made in Indian rupees, not in U.S. dollars. funding isn’t a major issue for buying Brahmos. Moreover, BrahMos exports generate valuable foreign exchange for India,
 
The army has always been the weakest link in the Pakistan military. It’s badly run and inefficient which is not surprising given its extracurricular activities.

Even in 2019 ot was ACM Mujahid Anwar Khan who was hell bent on hitting back India along with Imran Khan and naval chief

General bajwa was busy telling us excuses that "tank main tail nahi hai" and all that BS

Same happened in 2025 too. PAF once again performed at its best. While we kept on seeing restraint from the khaki boys until India started bombing Pakistani airbases and left our khaki boys with no choice but to hit back and even then we have seen this halfhearted effort where we didn't use our top of the line missiles and weapons
 
You can argue all they want with “could have,” “would have,” and “should have” takes? You can see Areesh's post to view the brahmos wreckage. Anyone with an iota of a neuron can look at all the footage out there and determine if brahmos was intercepted or not.

The reality is that India hypes BrahMos like it’s some mythical weapon forged by Thor himself—unbeatable and godlike. But let’s be honest: it’s based on a two-decade-old p-800 design. It has a predictable flight path, a large radar cross-section, and uses active radar homing—making it vulnerable to ECM and spoofing. Its low maneuverability limits its ability to strike mobile targets, and its warhead isn't designed to destroy hardened shelters. It’s not even hypersonic, which means any modern air defense system can intercept it.

And even if a few BrahMos missiles do slip past air defenses, they’re not going to wipe out the entire Pakistan Air Force. That claim is pure fantasy.

’I’ve already shared examples proving that cruise and surface-to-surface missile strikes are limited in scope. Russia has fired over 2,800 missiles—including Kh-101s, Kh-55s, P-800s, and even the hypersonic Kinzhal—yet Ukraine continues to strike targets inside mainland Russia.

No war is won without air superiority—missiles alone aren’t enough, no matter how many excuses are made. You claim the PAF would have been destroyedyet your own CDS admitted the Indian Air Force’s entire Western Command was grounded for two full days.

Coming to the second part of argument, Why would china be threatened by Brahmos.
Have you seen China’s air defense capabilities? They possess the largest and most sophisticated integrated air defense (IAD) network in the world. We're talking about an estimated 400–600 air defense batteries (excluding anti-aircraft guns). Among these are over 200 long-range SAM batteries, including advanced systems like the S-300, S-400, HQ-9, HQ-22, and HQ-12.

And that’s not all. When you factor in self-propelled anti-aircraft guns, radar systems, and short-to-medium-range interceptors, the total number of air defense units across the PLA likely exceeds several hundred thousand. This is a layered, overlapping network designed to counter cruise missiles, aircraft, and ballistic threats with redundancy.

So no, BrahMos missiles—based on an outdated design, with a large RCS and predictable flight path—aren’t going to shake Beijing. The idea that China would be deterred by BrahMos is not just unrealistic—it’s laughable.
so my question to you is- how many interceptions and how many successful hits?

Interceptions outweigh the hits by the sounds of it?
 
Very recently,we started production of drones ( S2) ,CMs,Radars, Possibly SAMs & BMs , don't you think we are going in right direction?
We're really good at making it look like we're doing something. We have a ton of designs, but as of right now, alot of these things are concepts that are looking for a customer to fund them.

I dont at all believe even half the stuff shown is in production to be very honest! The only movement ive seen on Sarkash is that they changed the name lol
 
Absolutely wrong. Pakistan didn't launch anything except Fatah 1. You are wrong on many accounts, but you RSS Hindutva are always wrong.

It is funny though how you lot went from Su-30 MKI to Rafale and now BrahMos. Have you lost faith in IAF?
BrahMos is also launched from the Su-30MKI and Tejas Rafale is not capable of launching the BrahMos missile as of now
 
It's peak pathetic behaviour by some Pakistanis to try and downplay the BrahMos, or the potential scale of damage a large salvo attack of it could have caused. And none of them can even give a single logical argument, just stupid hubris similar to how superpower Indians Rafale will defeat J-10C because it's "Chinese".

Trying to downplay hits on your airbases as a coping mechanism is jeet behaviour.

It's same retarded stuff Indians do and then proceed to get humilated, these dudes are embarrassing themselves and not doing their country any good. You will notice every true power on Earth takes their opponents weapons seriously and even overestimates them to prepare, look at US or Israel how it raises alarms over the slightest thing. F-15 was born out of fearing the MiG-25 Foxbat.

Heck Israel even wrote a report on potential damage that can be sustained from Iranian missile salvo attacks, they didn't shrug it off despite even the US backing their complete air defence efforts.
I think they know it's cause of their own incompetence, they wasted two fudging days. Deep down they know they could have prevented this, had they given PAF and F1s@F2 orders that very night, response to attack on civil infra could have given later in the form of attacks on RSS.
 
But this is amazing, because not one Indian official has mentioned RoE... Did you read their minds?

Not a single Fatah 2 was used.
Sir, if you don't mind, can you please tell about the Pakistani missile type that was intercepted over Sirsa around 1 AM on May 10th? I believe this incident accelerated the Indian response.
 
BrahMos is indeed an expensive missile, but its payments are made in Indian rupees, not in U.S. dollars. funding isn’t a major issue for buying Brahmos. Moreover, BrahMos exports generate valuable foreign exchange for India,
Dude you have to source stuff from Russia for barhamos it's a joint venture. You literally exported barhamos to 1 country
 
so my question to you is- how many interceptions and how many successful hits?

Interceptions outweigh the hits by the sounds of it?
Ratio is 70:30
But the issue isn’t the interceptions that work
Its the “good enough”
Lets say the 70:30 remains - that means 7 intercepted to 3 hits if ten launched.



But increasing the launch numbers means many more get through.

3 Brahmos caused “minor but tangible damage”
What happens when its 30?
What happens when its 60 or 90?
 
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