Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[coffee_cup]

This recent attack is indeed very fishy especially the timing of it.
But what i wanted to talk about was the mumbai bombing. The coverage it got, the anger, the cries and threats. They made it look like india's 9/11.
They just so good at it, raising awareness about a single civilian who dies of "terror attack".
Meanwhile our whole train gets hijacked and we just shrug it off with oh no anyways....

Bro false flags are carefully planned and carried.
Whereas the genuine terrorist attacks come out of nowhere.
And then also add to it the kind of "thick skin" that our political elite has developed to heinous acts like those.

Also then the personal Indian business connection of some politicians All those are some of the factors for a criminally muted response. For the survival of Pakistan, this HAS to change!

 

[Blain2]

There is a thought that seems to have alluded us..., and that was the absence of the Viper in this entire episode.

We all know that as per the US's End-User Agreement, we cannot use the F-16's against India in an offensive role. That Agreement does not cover defensive role.

So, since the IAF did not cross the LoC, it explains why there is no mention of Vipers.

The Viper has been the frontline Fighter for decades and not going into its History and capability..., the serious question on the US's mind must be: Does Pakistan really need the US anymore in terms of Military Aid ?

The J-10C & PL-15 (still less in numbers) out performed The Mighty Rafale.

Pakistan hasn't bought any Military Hardware from the US since ... Musharaf era.

A week back..., the US would have thought that Pakistan would always want to buys more Vipers - even used ones.

Looks like those days may be a thing of the past.

@Oscar

I wrote about the same in this very thread earlier.

The single biggest upside for Pakistan is that we fought this campaign with American hardware taking a back seat. Out of the American shadow and with a much more dependable eco-system of support/capability which gives our defense planners a lot more confidence.

Don't get me wrong, the F-16s (all upgraded to blk-52 specification except perhaps the Jordanian ones) are a very potent platform and could bring a world of hurt to India in the surface attack role under the protection of the long stick.

I hope Pakistani nation realizes what its potential is, what it is capable of and stops the infighting to realize much greater things that lie ahead.

 

[Mobius]

LMFAO! Double Trouble for the nation of Sanghis.....

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[PakAl]

There is a thought that seems to have alluded us..., and that was the absence of the Viper in this entire episode.

We all know that as per the US's End-User Agreement, we cannot use the F-16's against India in an offensive role. That Agreement does not cover defensive role.

So, since the IAF did not cross the LoC, it explains why there is no mention of Vipers.

The Viper has been the frontline Fighter for decades and not going into its History and capability..., the serious question on the US's mind must be: Does Pakistan really need the US anymore in terms of Military Aid ?

The J-10C & PL-15 (still less in numbers) out performed The Mighty Rafale.

Pakistan hasn't bought any Military Hardware from the US since ... Musharaf era.

A week back..., the US would have thought that Pakistan would always want to buys more Vipers - even used ones.

Looks like those days may be a thing of the past.

@Oscar

Usa will not sell any cutting edge technology to Pakistan anymore. During 2019 India was crying all over the media about F16s being used, this time no F16s and India is quiet. Pakistan must request the Usa to upgrade the F16s to block v/72 level or the Usa can stop with their blackmail.

 

[ghazi52]

This is the understanding of Indian Military......

 

[Mobius]

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[pwfi]

Around the 14:51 mark, there is description of the Pakistani air attack on India by this retired Air Marshal, who says he still has connection with serving staff. He describes the Pakistani attack on India using the JF-17 and Mirages and says that at the last moment, Pakistani operators turned missile direction away from the actual target, to avoid going up the escalation ladder.

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he was talking about Operation swift retort of 2019

 

[coffee_cup]

We can certainly disagree, but I believe that at least some—though not all—within Pakistan’s establishment see asymmetric tactics as a necessary hedge. From their perspective, it's perhaps the only way to compel India to treat the Kashmir issue as a live dispute rather than a settled matter. It’s a cold, strategic calculation—and it doesn’t necessarily mean Pakistan is always actively seeking conflict.


What’s ironic is that India, in reacting forcefully to these tactics and seemingly willing to set aside its broader strategic interests to respond, has unintentionally validated the very strategy it's trying to shut down. In a strange way, the asymmetric playbook has worked too well—just not in anyone’s long-term interest.


Meanwhile, people across the subcontinent remain fixated on the scoreboard—who's up, who's down—without recognizing the direction this is all heading. And that’s the tragedy: the path we're on leads to ruin, and when it arrives, it won’t care who thought they were winning.

So next time when actively conflict seeking Indian establishments carries a terrorist attack on Chinese Engineers in Gilgit etc, both China and Pakistan should immediately start pounding India?

Because only such a forceful reaction by both China and Pakistan will bring India to her senses to make her realize that it is about time to stop sponsoring terrorism in the neighborhood.

 

[Watandar]

Usa will not sell any cutting edge technology to Pakistan anymore. During 2019 India was crying all over the media about F16s being used, this time no F16s and India is quiet. Pakistan must request the Usa to upgrade the F16s to block v/72 level or the Usa can stop with their blackmail.

Pakistan should sell the F16's to Ukraine. Its a golden opportunity as either Europeans or Americans will pay for it. Such a sale will yield billions of $$$ and the money can be used to buy two squadrons worth of J10 and devote rest of money to Air Defense/Navy and domestic law enforcement efforts.

I believe next Indian move would have been a blockade of Pakistan's coasts while continuing its drone/BrahMos attacks and asking its proxies to step up terrorist acts.

 

[sultan]

Possible sour grapes moment

 

[Bilal]

The restraint brigade has set stage for next drama. Mark my words.

 

[Tom_Cruise]

Have any cargo flights from Turkey or China arrived recently? They may try to target these.

 

[Blain2]

So next time when actively conflict seeking Indian establishments carries a terrorist attack on Chinese Engineers in Gilgit etc, both China and Pakistan should immediately start pounding India?

Because only such a forceful reaction by both China and Pakistan will bring India to her senses to make her realize that it is about time to stop sponsoring terrorism in the neighborhood.

A valid point to ponder over from a policy/strategy change standpoint. What follows is that any murder of Chinese and Pakistanis on Pakistani soil at the hands of BLA should lead to devastating strikes on mainland India. What also should follow is that whether the BLA claim it or not is immaterial.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Dare I say, this may prompt US to offer Pakistan F16V or Blk70 just to keep its hook in otherwise it is at risk of completely losing its sphere of influence....

Why would PAF be interested? It is a system that doesn’t integrate fully with PAF war doctrine anymore? For the cost of a V. Upgrade you can probably get a new build j10ce

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

The restraint brigade has set stage for next drama. Mark my words.

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