Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

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Now watch the Indian media go ballistic lobbying hard to protect their own.
Every available diplomatic and consular leverage will be used and this scoundrel will return home a hero and get a ticket to be elected to Parliament.
It is needless to say that friendly foreign media will also rally to his cause. Indians with far more serious crimes have been successfully defended:

Qatar releases former Indian navy officers after dropping death sentences

Seven of the men have already been returned to India, but details of the case remain scant.

www.aljazeera.com

Even murderers

Nimisha Priya: Last hope for Indian nurse on death row in Yemen - pardon from victim's family

Time is running out for Nimisha Priya, who was convicted for the murder of a Yemeni man in 2017.

www.bbc.com

Only Indian Hindus are defended not others

Shahzadi Khan: Indian woman executed in UAE for killing baby

Shahzadi Khan's family say she was innocent and the four-month-old died from an incorrect vaccination.

www.bbc.com

 

[Khanivore]

Looks like the plane was already falling and then something on it exploded turning it into pieces, no?

Look at the trajectory of the PL-15 going at high speed. This is the terminal phase where its dual-pulse motor is doing bursts of acceleration while also conserving energy.

Watch closely as upon impact the decent of the target is more downard and slower -- brightly lit.

In the terminal phase of its flight, the PL-15 air-to-air missile will utilize its dual-pulse solid rocket motor to dramatically enhance its lethality against maneuvering targets. After the initial boost and a coasting midcourse phase guided by its active radar seeker and data link updates, the missile reignites its second pulse as it closes in on the target -- as you can see in the video. This second burn provides a renewed burst of speed and maneuverability, allowing the PL-15 to outpace evasive maneuvers and countermeasures deployed -- if any -- by the target aircraft.

By conserving energy until this critical endgame stage, the PL-15 maximizes its chances of a successful intercept, especially at long ranges where targets may attempt aggressive defensive actions. But I doubt the IAF pilots could do much in the final 9 seconds before impact.

 

[El Sidd]

Now watch the Indian media go ballistic lobbying hard to protect their own.
Every available diplomatic and consular leverage will be used and this scoundrel will return home a hero and get a ticket to be elected to Parliament.
It is needless to say that friendly foreign media will also rally to his cause. Indians with far more serious crimes have been successfully defended:

Qatar releases former Indian navy officers after dropping death sentences

Seven of the men have already been returned to India, but details of the case remain scant.

www.aljazeera.com

Even murderers

Nimisha Priya: Last hope for Indian nurse on death row in Yemen - pardon from victim's family

Time is running out for Nimisha Priya, who was convicted for the murder of a Yemeni man in 2017.

www.bbc.com

Indian Hindus are defended not others

Shahzadi Khan: Indian woman executed in UAE for killing baby

Shahzadi Khan's family say she was innocent and the four-month-old died from an incorrect vaccination.

www.bbc.com

Indians are too powerful and rich. Few billion dollars of equipment and manpower is loose change.

 

[PK781]

Indians are too powerful and rich. Few billion dollars of equipment and manpower is loose change.

not powerful, they're just having some loose change right now, but which is running thin soon. And if they choose to engage Pakistan, then it will come crashing to a complete halt in few mins. These days shit happens within minutes and it sinks economies within days.
Given the state of their poor country with its slums, they're not really powerful at all. It's just an illusion. Pakistan has cut them to size. All the "power and money" deemed utterly useless.

They're garbage, and treat them like that. Pakistanis can do that to them anytime.
All the power and money for them is useless as we're the only ones that can give them nightmares day and night.

 

[ziaulislam]

She could be severely injured and in a coma in an indian hospital. Nothing from the Pakistan side about this.

Such a dishonorable thing to do...refuse to accept the deaths of their pilots..this will be a huge moral killer for me

At 1.4 km/sec, the PL-15 missiles would have taken 2-3 minutes to reach their targets. Turning on their seekers in the final moments for the kill. Humiliation yes, but they were also outclasses by the tech and tactics. Also, with so many shot down, in modern jets, I doubt it was anything other than shoot downs. The IAF just has to go through the 5 stages of grief before they can admit it.

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It was a turkey shoot

Basically paralyzed IAF and demoralized them

Pretty sure PAF could have done more but decided to call it a day

In retrospective we should have either fired missile on delhi(since they hit Islamabad) or down those p-8 Poseidon as well but that would have been big buthurt

 

[Be dazzled]

That’s nonsense … from all we know there is NO PL-21 yet.

Domt refuse. Plz approve.

 

[arjunk]

No restrain will be shown by Pak armed forces next time. Its all out war.

The next conflict will surely lead to all out war.

The Indians have stated that next time they will open with the naval front

The RSS has openly expressed anger at Modi and are planning to replace him with an even more radical Hindutva terrorist like Yogi.

The Indians have already changed their doctrine and relegated the IAF to be a mere support arm of the Indian Army.

Therefore Indians will open with an Iran/Houthi/Hamas style SSM + Drone SEAD attack of hundreds of missiles, as well as an attack on Karachi by IN.

We also know that Indians were planning to execute their Cold Start by sending RAPIDs into the Thar desert. And that annexing AJK is India's stated war objective

Pakistan has stated it will respond before India, Iran, Saudi, UAE, USA or anyone can convince us to restrain ourselves.

So in the first wave of Indian attacks it's likely we will see hundreds, if not thousands of casualties on Pakistan's side. Pakistan will not sit and listen to GCC's cuck lectures, we will attack India before any international intervention.

Pakistani counterattack will lead to thousands of casualties in India, and there will be no off-ramp unless we systematically exterminate every last Hindutva leader and beat the Indians into submission Timurid style.

 

[El Sidd]

not powerful, they're just having some loose change right now, but which is running thin soon. And if they choose to engage Pakistan, then it will come crashing to a complete halt in few mins. These days shit happens within minutes and it sinks economies within days.
Given the state of their poor country with its slums, they're not really powerful at all. It's just an illusion. Pakistan has cut them to size. All the "power and money" deemed utterly useless.

They're garbage, and treat them like that. Pakistanis can do that to them anytime.
All the power and money for them is useless as we're the only ones that can give them nightmares day and night.

If they are indeed garbage, why are we discussing ceasefire and not their surrender?

Pakistan's mere existence is an existential crisis for India. Few hundred billion dollars are loose change for India. Temples like Somnath are full of gold and precious metals.

 

[RafaleSlayer]

A bombshell for Indian crowd here!

He is just stupid and does not understand the difference between a jet being "downed" and "Grounded". What he is trying to say is that no jets were downed but they were grounded because of a tactical mistake and then flew again after two days. But the question is if they were not downed, what was the tactical mistake & why were they grounded for 2 days? The truth is that within minutes of the surprise attack, PAF shot down 6 Indian jets, and IAF grounded all jets out of fear and kept them 400KM away from border.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

Indian general said that after they had lost 6 fighters, they paused and then recalibrated their strategy. After two days and then attacked Pakistan again. What was their new strategy and what damage was inflicted on Pakistan?

 

[RafaleSlayer]

Our own Tipu....of previous PDF

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no indian plane fell so close to the border that she would land in Pakistan after ejection from the plane unless the she ejected at a very high altitude and there were very strong winds east-west direction that would carry her to Pakistan.

 

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I saw this interview enough to actually register on the forum and collect opinions of the members here (I have been a long-time guest of the forum)

The question I have is based on what the Indian CDS said: The tactics of the 7th were fixed on the 10th, and the IAF was in the air with force. What I'm curious about is that we claimed one kill on the 10th may day (I think) while the bulk of our kills are from day 1 (7th may).

If PAF had the edge, then why on the 10th did we not go for more kills? What would have been our thinking in just ground attacks from plans and missiles—but not asserting air-to-air dominance?

 

[Baibers_1260]

Indians are too powerful and rich. Few billion dollars of equipment and manpower is loose change.

No, they are neither powerful nor rich. They provide cheap indentured near slave level labor globally. 9 million work in the GCC countries. Indian ex-pat labor both legal and illegal is present in almost every country. Indian labor has turned up in Russia where they were promptly sent to the Ukrainian front and many were killed.
The world wants cheap labor and India is the prime source. Unfavorable news about Indian labor hurts not only ex-pat Indians but also those who want cheap unskilled labor . The image of the docile Indian slogging away has to be maintained and so those who have committed crimes are portrayed as victims rather than criminals. The unjust Muslim nation angle helps promote the narrative.
Not all countries are as forgiving or care. Apart from Russia, Saudi Arabia is one example :

Saudi Arabia Beheads 2 Indian Citizens. Amarinder Singh Says "Barbaric"

Saudi Arabia beheaded two Indian citizens belonging to Punjab after they allegedly murdered another Indian there.

www.ndtv.com

 

[RafaleSlayer]

BTW do we have any cluster munitions in our arsenal

yep pretty large. Pak is one of the 6 nations that did not sign the convention to not use cluster munitions in war

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Indian general said that after they had lost 6 fighters, they paused and then recalibrated their strategy. After two days and then attacked Pakistan again. What was their new strategy and what damage was inflicted on Pakistan?

The new strategy of running to the americans and begging for a ceasefire when Pakistan started responding effectively. That too despite the indians saying that they won't stop until they do to Pakistan what they israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza.