Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Gripen9]

BS. Just trying to bull up what your AF did on the 10th and from where it did it. Even if it did something will have fired from deep within safety of India and scampered back to further safety immediately after doing it. All this Horse shit of ‘full force’ ‘counter strategy’ on the 10th is made up stuff same as what your sad excuse of an army chief tried, all sad attempts to avoid accepting the truth which is unmitigated humiliation. Basically saying, yeah we got our ass whooped on the 7th but how many we lost ‘doesn’t matter’ eh? How exactly doesn’t it matter?sorted ourselves out in a couple of days and then we came back and got even. So given that you sorted yourself out and put PAF back in its place you must have Shot down some PAF jets no? Err err o no, but we did manage to fire a few air to ground misiles on the 10th, really? That’s what constitutes air dominance?—- shameless and pathetic ’s’. You want to see what air dominance, ‘full force’ and ‘impunity’ means? Go have a look at what PAF did to IAF on the 7th when it tore it a new one.

Exactly….
Gobbidigook BS.
Their CDS says we lobbed missiles from a safe distance after 2 days of dithering and figuring out how to get airborne even when supposedly we have S400s providing cover all over the theater.

 

[TAC]

Pathetic losers, ‘it’s not important how many’ guess it’s an embarrassingly high number then eh

India finally admits it lost fighter jets in clash with Pakistan

Speaking candidly about the brief conflict with Pakistan earlier this month, India’s chief of defence staff says two countries never close to nuclear war

www.independent.co.uk

 

[SilentWatch]

The ROE was "gain Kills, deny loss", which is a ultra safe approach to air warfare.

Basically, the idea is that the pilots are to keep a safe enough distance that they can dodge incoming fire effectively and with ease, while only going for kills that they can guarantee without putting themselves at high risk.

How was this achieved? Basically due to the two biggest advantages Pakistan has over India, BVRAAMs that out-range everything in India's arsenal (except arguably the meteor), and AWACS.

AWACS gave PAF a clea picture of the battlefield and allowed them to track Indian fighter jets and keep a distance, and Pakistan's BVRAAMs (PL-15) used the AWACS to find and hit Indian fighters.

Basically, PAF had a complete picture of the air battle, while India was essentially flying blind and relying on their fighter's radars.

There's now information coming out that PAF also had access to Chinese real time satellites, which would take Pakistan's battlefield awareness to the next level.

It was like a guy with perfect 20/20 vision with binoculars fighting a blind guy.

Is what you implying, that on the 10th while IAF was in the air, it was in 'safe' space to either (1) lob bombs and missiles or (2) at least have grounds to state that as plausible, while ground forces did the dirty work with SSMs

Therefore its possible to conclude that PAF successfully deployed an "unsafe area net" inside indian airspace - maybe 50-100 kms, even if its 25kms its then a matter of scalability - what's 50-100kms today can be 300kms tomorrow.

But then I have another Question - for the subject matter experts on the forum. if Air Defence range is 200- 300kms (based on HQ9B stats)... is it our doctrine stance not to engage air defence on IAF assets inside of India? Or lack of sufficient quantities to deploy in an offensive role?

Question 2: Can AD systems be used to "gain Kills, deny loss" cheaper than PAF i.e. risk fighter loss - or am I smoking some quality North American weed here?

 

[That_Guy]

Why is it a poor logic? Pakistan used exactly same logic back in 2019 and also in 2025.

Pakistan absolutely let someone else do the counting in 2019, namely the Americans who keep an eye on Pakistan's F-16 fleet.

Most international media in 2025 mostly back Pakistan's claims.

What world are you living in?

 

[PK781]

Enough arguing with these indian members, they will never accept defeat from Pakistan. They will always deflect and make excuses or twist sentences to their benefit. Its their nature and coping mechanism.
This is why there will be a final decisive war (Ghazwa e Hind) which will finally settle things and the world will move onto the next tests/battles. The End Times are upon us. May Allah swt always keep us steadfast on our faith and may our end also be with faith/imaan.
Pakistan Zindabad!

 

[Vox Non Dei]

Ok since you quibble over semantics:
What's the difference between "few " and "several"?

Let's go by the Dictionary:

• Few ; a small number, not many
• Several; more than two but not many.

So how many Pakistani jets were shot down?

What is meant by "hi tech " ?

Pakistani aircraft downed were "hi-tech" ? Which ones?
Per the Indian Air Force Pakistan has low-tech Chinese aircraft which are not classified as "high tech " like the Rafale jets.

So would 42 year F-16s classify as "high tech" ? Apart from 55 year old Mirage 3 & 5, those are the only western combat aircraft the PAF uses. The other "hi tech" aircraft would be the SAAB 2000.

So question is what did the IAF shoot down or destroy?
Any satellite pictures of debris or destroyed aircraft? Here is a picture of Engels airbase after three consecutive Ukrainian drone and missile attacks, The base was still functional even after three attacks. Did India inflict comparable damage on any Pakistani airbase?

Russian Bomber Base Suffered Major Damage To Munitions Area In Ukrainian Drone Attack

The attack on Engels Air Base, 300 miles from Ukraine, sent a shockwave across the city and a towering black cloud overhead.

www.twz.com

Other claims by state approved media :
1. 20% of PAF AD assets destroyed
2, Karachi leveled

In my view his response was a no response. Because it was so non specific that it was not carrying any information. The only claim he made is that IAF has shot Pakistani jet(s). Thats it.

The bigger point that I wanted to make is, he did NOT specify F-16s or any specific jets. Any god damn jet fighter can be said as "hi tech".

As far as "Other claims" go, I doubt there is a "state approved media". There is Indian media but then those are privately owned mostly. And I personally do not take them seriously. If you want to trust them, they were saying Indian forces are attacking Islamabad. So, they are not even worth talking about.

Most international media in 2025 mostly back Pakistan's claims.

What world are you living in?

Well, most of international media is saying that all damage inflicted to bases in 2025 conflict was done by India, on Pakistani bases and there is no evidence of Indian bases suffering any significant damage.

You can read WaPo, NY Times and Stimson centre's report on this. If you so wish, I can post the URLs.

I am sure I am living in the real world.

 

[That_Guy]

Is what you implying, that on the 10th while IAF was in the air, it was in 'safe' space to either (1) lob bombs and missiles or (2) at least have grounds to state that as plausible, while ground forces did the dirty work with SSMs

Therefore its possible to conclude that PAF successfully deployed an "unsafe area net" inside indian airspace - maybe 50-100 kms, even if its 25kms its then a matter of scalability - what's 50-100kms today can be 300kms tomorrow.

But then I have another Question - for the subject matter experts on the forum. if Air Defence range is 200- 300kms (based on HQ9B stats)... is it our doctrine stance not to engage air defence on IAF assets inside of India? Or lack of sufficient quantities to deploy in an offensive role?

Question 2: Can AD systems be used to "gain Kills, deny loss" cheaper than PAF i.e. risk fighter loss - or am I smoking some quality North American weed here?

I'd like to point out that most of the Indian fighters shot down where within 50KM of the border, so at most I'd say that Pakistan had an eye on roughly 100KM within Indian controlled airspace.

Its also important to mention that this was purely a BVR battle, and neither side actually crossed the border. This means that despite having an almost 2:1 advantage over Pakistan in the air (roughly 70 IAF to 40 PAF), no Indian fighter was able to lock on, or at the best hold the lock on a PAF fighter with their radars; if they did and released their BVRs, then the BVRs did a poor job of tracking PAF jets.

 

[ziaulislam]

 

[Vapnope]

Well, its simple. Since Pakistan never showed any count of its F-16 in 2019 and let someone in USA do the talking for them; India also did not show much pictures and videos of its bases and let NY Times, WaPo and Stimson Center do the talking for them. Its the same situation.

You are more than welcome to go and ask neutral 3rd parties to do an audit of evidence.

Dude, India did not present any proof of F16s shot down, neither Uri surgical strikes but in both cases, it was pakistan who showed the evidence to the world. Alan warn was here for F16s, international media was taken to balakot and the place where so called surgical strikes happened. It was done precisely to show the world that India is lying through her teeth, as usual.

Even today tall claims of Indian side that we shot down paf planes and no proof whatsoever and the challenge of dg ispr is still there that show us the debris of the even one aircraft.

so again, why not show us the pictures of your bases if you are so sure that there has been no damage whatsoever and Pakistan is just lying.

Even i can count Indians on my hands who accepted the loss of their planes in 2025, rest of the Indians still believe no air craft was lost.

 

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[Khanivore]

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In plain English: Please Trump saar! We are f**ked. We need new toys!

 

[Liquidator]

This is false again, he never said "F-16" or "several". He said we have downed a few planes. And planes were "Hi tech". Whatever you make out of it.

Here is the video at that position of that question.

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Nobody gives a fvuck .... he's an ugly looser. World listens to handsome winners.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

Dude, India did not present any proof of F16s shot down, neither Uri surgical strikes but in both cases, it was pakistan who showed the evidence to the world. Alan warn was here for F16s, international media was taken to balakot and the place where so called surgical strikes happened. It was done precisely to show the world that India is lying through her teeth, as usual.

International media was taken to Balakot after about 2 months. I am sure India will organize a media visit to all those bases in coming months.

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A rocket artillery with 300KG + of warhead. And we are supposed to believe it will not leave big craters in the bases or where ever they hit.. If these had hit the airbases or military bases, damage would have surely been seen in satellite images.

 

[Vapnope]

International media was taken to Balakot after about 2 months. I am sure India will organize a media visit to all those bases in coming months.

Firstly, There were videos of fallen trees and a dead crow the next morning. Secondly, Then BBC was allowed in that area. You can find reuters and bbc quotes in the below news article.
3rdly, Sat images were immediately available all the while Indian side continued to claim 300 dead terrorists.

IAF Air Strikes: Pakistani Eyewitnesses Recount ‘Scary’ Night

India conducted a major preemptive strike on Jaish-e-Mohammed’s biggest camp early Tuesday to prevent suicide attacks being planned by the Pakistan-based terror group, killing a large number of terrorists and trainers.

www.thequint.com

Meanwhile, the only thing Indian side has shown is video of LAUNCHERS ONLY. so yeah if there was no damage to.Indian bases, India would have done a bollywood movie in that area already.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

Meanwhile, the only thing Indian side has shown is video of LAUNCHERS ONLY.

When did Indian side showed any video of any "LAUNCHER"? I am sorry, I have not seen that video...

Firstly, There were videos of fallen trees and a dead crow the next morning. Secondly, Then BBC was allowed in that area. You can find reuters and bbc quotes in the below news article.

Indian side presentation included pictures with date and time stamp of some bases in question, with them being intact.
Not to mention international media and few twitter handles had access to satellite images of all sorts of resolution by May 12th and even earlier.