Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
Don't go too far ... Mukti Bahini was well before any religious insurrection in Kashmir or Pakistan's support to mujahedin against Soviets. But that is not all... India supported LTTE the very first to use suicide bombings in South Asia and Rajiv paid dearly with eating one such himself!
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Did world support this narrative of ours at that time ... Indian diplomacy and our own studpidity of denying powers of Awami league played a far greater role in creation of BD. Plus, Mukti was created for one specific purpose and as soon as it was achieved, Mukti was dissolved with RAW destroying every shred of evidence of its existence as an Indian arm in 1971. Now, compare that to dozen Jihadi organizations created in Pakistan after 1989 when ISI miscalculated tne Kashmir issue and tried to repeat what had happened in Afghanistan since 1975 to 1989. We announced the dismentling of these organization in 2002 (Mush speech and policy) and yet till this day, we are not able to do that, heck we can't even make Afghan Taliban listen to us for whom we destroy our foreign policy and last decade and half was lost. India took full advantage of our mistakes and through media ops/disinformation amplified Pakistan's terrorism problem as regional peace and security issue. So much so that we now are struggling in de-linking Kashmir from Terrorism.
So, Please don't compare Appales with Oranges.
 
PakShaheen_79 said:
narrative
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Facts, shaheen! Facts!
Narrative is what you're spinning when shifting goal post. Go back to what I replied to you on...

I have no intention to carry on with this... very Indian like behavior of yours... the world follows narratives of choice within their own scope and interests. Not honest arbiters wishing to be swayed. You have a wanted war criminal running amok with all those courts, their bureaucracies and signatories playing narratives.
'nuf said!
 
PakShaheen_79 said:
Did world support this narrative of ours at that time ... Indian diplomacy and our own studpidity of denying powers of Awami league played a far greater role in creation of BD. Plus, Mukti was created for one specific purpose and as soon as it was achieved, Mukti was dissolved with RAW destroying every shred of evidence of its existence as an Indian arm in 1971. Now, compare that to dozen Jihadi organizations created in Pakistan after 1989 when ISI miscalculated tne Kashmir issue and tried to repeat what had happened in Afghanistan since 1975 to 1989. We announced the dismentling of these organization in 2002 (Mush speech and policy) and yet till this day, we are not able to do that, heck we can't even make Afghan Taliban listen to us for whom we destroy our foreign policy and last decade and half was lost. India took full advantage of our mistakes and through media ops/disinformation amplified Pakistan's terrorism problem as regional peace and security issue. So much so that we now are struggling in de-linking Kashmir from Terrorism.
So, Please don't compare Appales with Oranges.
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Jatindar for your information India was sanctioned by USA for supporting Mukhti Bahni terrorists. These sanctions remained till 1984.

In early 80's Indian establishment realized Soviet Union was going down so lets shift to ass kissing USA.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Fake news. There is no way that any systems or computers that hold such sensitive information, would be accessible by any means from the internet.
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Parts of the data have already been verified.

It is REALLY bad, and likely done by Israeli saars in revenge for Macron statements about Palestine.

It must really hurt India to be in a household where both its fathers are fighting
 
arjunk said:
Parts of the data have already been verified.

It is REALLY bad, and likely done by Israeli saars in revenge for Macron statements about Palestine.

It must really hurt India to be in a household where both its fathers are fighting
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Do you have a downloaded copy ? :ROFLMAO: ;) ..Just asking for a friend.
 
DJ Trump (Potus) uttered words 'shameful' when journ. asked him abt May 6th Indian attacked for the first in front of the whole world...

(remember JD Vance was in India before this attack and DJ Trump never spoke any ill about India ever!)

now after 3 months, I have realized why he said that...


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PL15 E or the real deal.......
 
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
Facts, shaheen! Facts!
Narrative is what you're spinning when shifting goal post. Go back to what I replied to you on...

I have no intention to carry on with this... very Indian like behavior of yours... the world follows narratives of choice within their own scope and interests. Not honest arbiters wishing to be swayed. You have a wanted war criminal running amok with all those courts, their bureaucracies and signatories playing narratives.
'nuf said!
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Yes. Very Ultra Max Pro Pakistani patriots (aka Faujeets) type behvior of yours ... whenever debate enters in soul searching topics just throw Ghaddar, Indian Agent, RAW on him instead of presenting own arguments. Did I ever defend what Indians did? I just explained why India was able to get away with it. You simply missed the whole point. My argument is playing each thing to its merits and protect national interest. I compare Mukti Vs. Our Jihadi experiments and which yielded results on strategic levels. Clearly, RAW's template of creating Mukti was more sinister and shewrd than anything Jernails in Abpara were able to contemplate. I know, for a die hard patriot this is extremely bitter but this is no narrative. This is FACT! See what happened to our Jihad projects both in Afghanistan and Kashmir. If you are happy with their outcomes viz-a-viz Pakistan's strategic interests and naitonal security, I have nothing to say more!

Now the original argument with other person was on hitting Indian temples in next round with civilians in it and then you jumped in with What Indians did some 54 years ago when the world was operating under very different geopolitical realities. So much for changing goal posts! Yes, Indeed India created Mukti and LTTE ... Question is did world press India like Pakistan was pressed after 9/11 on terrorism despite being at the front line in ruthless WoT which US and Afghanistan both have concluded at their respective ends but somehow we are still continuing it. Why? I answered this in my previous post which you couldn't pick. But I am not surprised. When you develop a habit of not introspect things this kind of behavior of living in denial reign over saner thoughts.
You wrote; "I have no intention to carry on with this" Well, My humble request is don't bother, let's agree to disagree and move on!
 
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hydrabadi_arab said:
Jatindar for your information India was sanctioned by USA for supporting Mukhti Bahni terrorists. These sanctions remained till 1984.

In early 80's Indian establishment realized Soviet Union was going down so lets shift to ass kissing USA.
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Name calling? Really? You proved yourself even more childish then I thought. But in the land of pure, not much can be expected from ultra nationalistic patriots ... Now please care to explin who imposed sanctions on India for creating / supporting Mukti Bahini? UN? US? UNSC? Who... If you are talking about US sanctions, yes they were imposed but on both Pakistan and India and if you are refering to UN/UNSC ... then there was no such sanctions imposed on India. In fact, IICRC, India invoked Article 5 (Self Defense) of UN Chater as Pakistan initiated the war on 3rd Dec 1971 by launching Op Chengez Khan.
 
PakShaheen_79 said:
Yes. Very Ultra Max Pro Pakistani patriots (aka Faujeets) type behvior of yours ... whenever debate enters in soul searching topics just throw Ghaddar, Indian Agent, RAW on him instead of presenting own arguments. Did I ever defend what Indians did? I just explained why India was able to get away with it. You simply missed the whole point. My argument is playing each thing to its merits and protect national interest. I compare Mukti Vs. Our Jihadi experiments and which yielded results on strategic levels. Clearly, RAW's template of creating Mukti was more sinister and shewrd than anything Jernails in Abpara were able to contemplate. I know, for a die hard patriot this is extremely bitter but this is no narrative. This is FACT! See what happened to our Jihad projects both in Afghanistan and Kashmir. If you are happy with their outcomes viz-a-viz Pakistan's strategic interests and naitonal security, I have nothing to say more!

Now the original argument with other person was on hitting Indian temples in next round with civilians in it and then you jumped in with What Indians did some 54 years ago when the world was operating under very different geopolitical realities. So much for changing goal posts! Yes, Indeed India created Mukti and LTTE ... Question is did world press India like Pakistan was pressed after 9/11 on terrorism despite being at the front line in ruthless WoT which US and Afghanistan both have concluded at their respective ends but somehow we are still continuing it. Why? I answered this in my previous post which you couldn't pick. But I am not surprised. When you develop a habit of not introspect things this kind of behavior of living in denial reign over saner thoughts.
You wrote; "I have no intention to carry on with this" Well, My humble request is don't bother, let's agree to disagree and move on!
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Move along... next!
 
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