Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Baibers_1260 said:
I find you fairly balanced and well informed. I have a broader question to ask you. Rather I would ask you to comment on my perception which might be completely wrong:
I believe the dispute between Pakistan and India isn't about territory (Kashmir) or Indus water sharing; even though Pakistanis may think these are the only issues. India's aspirational objectives and cultural definition are seriously challenged geographically by Pakistan and culturally by India's largest minority.
1. Geographically India is effectively cut off from its 1000 year old trade and economic links to Central Asia (north) and further west all the way to Gulf Arab states. Pakistan is a serious barrier denying India its traditional sphere of influence.

2. Culturally, ( based on the narrative in the media) India would like to transition to a homogeneous, mono-religious and mono-cultural nation based on the revival of a culture that is "3000 years old ". This would have been possible if India had controlled the territory that is Pakistan today and assimilated the population and transformed the culture the same way it has successfully ( or mostly successfully) assimilated its minority population. The existence of Pakistan gives an impetus to India's minority to retain its religious identity and resist integration.
A defeat and de-population of Pakistan will therefore help India redefine itself and make the transition so much easier
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Not the right place to discuss these deep questions. I will be as brief as possible.
Pakistan or presence of muslims in india is a reality which we have to accept. It can't be changed for good or bad till the end of times.
 
onlinpunit said:
Tell me when any thing similar incident in last 50 years by either side. Even during siachin conflict or kargil war fighting was local only. India upped the ante by attacking "Pakistan Proper". Drones entered Lahore and Rawalpindi as well. This is as deep as it can be. We have no incentive in attacking Balochistan or KPK.
As I have said many times loss of jets is sad incident for us but it's a price worth paying.

Now for your upcoming response I am waiting !!
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Correct yourself—five jets were lost. Four of them have been confirmed by international media, and even your own analysts have acknowledged it. Two jets were downed in 2019, which was a major blow. Your Air Force is in serious trouble. You're now relying on Israeli-made drones, which are considered your best option. But the worst part is deploying your best assets at the very start of the conflict—those drones are falling like snow. The Indian Air Force is going to face the consequences of this conflict for the next 40 to 50 years.
 
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SteppeWolff said:
Definitely the Saudis if the supposed ally is looking to engage Nawaz Sharif directly.

Saudis lack the balls to even defend themselves and want us to follow their example too just cause these bedouins have massive economic interests with India.
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Our history being repeated.....that is why i posted window for Pakistan is closing
 
PakAl said:
This is true. India must have planned this for months, they had the coordinates. But what you need to understand is this has always been possible. Both nations possess technology to harm each other.
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Isn't this what we are doing to each other since 1947 ? Harming each other ! Now "Who has moral high ground" or "who started first" , "who is right and who is wrong" are irrelevant questions.
Technology or no technology we will continue to harm each other.
 
S.Y.A said:
no worries a few dozen civilians have died and a few masajid have been destroyed. the cantts remain safe Alhamdulillah. so no need for a response.
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That’s what it is a true master stroke from india….
 
hasn2009 said:
For all those emotional members in a hurry of a response, let say Pakistan attacks now in haste, and looses a couple of pilots to India, can you imagine what will happen afterwards, we will loose all the momentum and narrative we gained in last few days. The morale will go down to zero, Indian propaganda will start to sound like facts.
I imagine 90%+ of the people hurrying for a response are PTI supporters.
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I'm a PTI supporter and I agree with you. Let the indians cook themselves a little.
 
Taimoor said:
Do you realise that the 5 IAF jets that were knocked out, they were flying deep into India, 80 - 100 Kms inside India's own airspace? So when you bombed Pakistani civilian infrastructure from well within your airspace, you got knocked out, while flying in your own sovereign airspace? Do I have to explain in other way or you understood what that implies?
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It implies that there was some major flaw on the execution of The plans or it was inevitable in that scenario. But the main objective was fulfilled so we are some what okay with the price.
We can always learn from our mistakes. Better luck next time.
 
hasn2009 said:
For all those emotional members in a hurry of a response, let say Pakistan attacks now in haste, and looses a couple of pilots to India, can you imagine what will happen afterwards, we will loose all the momentum and narrative we gained in last few days. The morale will go down to zero, Indian propaganda will start to sound like facts.
I imagine 90%+ of the people hurrying for a response are PTI supporters.
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Are you in your senses? It is wish of every Pakistani. Total dominance what the f*** you're talking about?
 
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