Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

A drunkard General whose love of whiskey not only destroyed the social fabric of our society but made a mess in balochistan. F@ucked up county so bad. That Kiyani had to salvage the the Army reputation. Your lion heart was begging american low level congressman and senators on video to let him rule Pakistan for one more time. Died in obscurity. Such is the death of those who harmed Pakistan. No wonder why you like such people based on your attitude and behaviour.

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I am a first hand witness to him dancing with a bottle on his head with young girls while news was breaking of devastating floods and being mentioned to him earlier as well.

 

[Starlord]

Did you live through his horrible screwups? I did and I clearly remember the social fabric was nearly destroyed.


Kargil. Screwed up so bad, Nawaz Sharif had to save Pakistan army. Who in the hell send army without airforce cover? the brain dead general initiated kargil without assessing the capabilities of Indian army. and airforce at that time. Our Army was getting slaughtered by Indian Airforce and Artillery and our Jawans were fighting with just small arms and mortars.

Made MQM stronger which caused the 12th May 2007 deadly gangwar and that persisted until 2016 and thanks to General Raheel action in 2016, he cleaned the mess of his mentor Musharraf

Giving NRO to MQM, PPP, PMLN.

Destroying Judiciary in 2007.

Killing Akbar Bugti. 20 years after Balochistan is still in flames.

Nearly destroyed the reputation of Army.

Daily attacks on army in 2006, 2007. I remember when Tarbela base was attacked in 2007 after Laal Masjid Attack.


Gen Z is nearly blind to the shenanigan's of Musharraf alas.

bro you are more Salty than Dead sea, chill out... you are only seeing one side of the picture, and blaming Mushy solely for the situation of Pakistan and everything you listed shows that your saltiness is coming from things you don't understand.

 

[Oscar]

Did you live through his horrible screwups? I did and I clearly remember the social fabric was nearly destroyed.


Kargil. Screwed up so bad, Nawaz Sharif had to save Pakistan army. Who in the hell send army without airforce cover? the brain dead general initiated kargil without assessing the capabilities of Indian army. and airforce at that time. Our Army was getting slaughtered by Indian Airforce and Artillery and our Jawans were fighting with just small arms and mortars.

Made MQM stronger which caused the 12th May 2007 deadly gangwar and that persisted until 2016 and thanks to General Raheel action in 2016, he cleaned the mess of his mentor Musharraf

Giving NRO to MQM, PPP, PMLN.

Destroying Judiciary in 2007.

Killing Akbar Bugti. 20 years after Balochistan is still in flames.

Nearly destroyed the reputation of Army.

Daily attacks on army in 2006, 2007. I remember when Tarbela base was attacked in 2007 after Laal Masjid Attack.


Gen Z is nearly blind to the shenanigan's of Musharraf alas.

Many millennials are and so are Gen X. Why? Because in some way they profited during his time.
Heck even his appointments in Shaukat aziz (who is extended family to me) had corruption conducted in unbelievable stock market manipulation.

Musharraf dying in obscurity is really all he deserved.

 

[Pogic]

Did you live through his horrible screwups? I did and I clearly remember the social fabric was nearly destroyed.


Kargil. Screwed up so bad, Nawaz Sharif had to save Pakistan army. Who in the hell send army without airforce cover? the brain dead general initiated kargil without assessing the capabilities of Indian army. and airforce at that time. Our Army was getting slaughtered by Indian Airforce and Artillery and our Jawans were fighting with just small arms and mortars.

Made MQM stronger which caused the 12th May 2007 deadly gangwar and that persisted until 2016 and thanks to General Raheel action in 2016, he cleaned the mess of his mentor Musharraf

Giving NRO to MQM, PPP, PMLN.

Destroyed Judiciary in 2007.

Killing Akbar Bugti. 20 years after Balochistan is still in flames.

Nearly destroyed the reputation of Army.

Daily attacks on army in 2006, 2007. I remember when Tarbela base was attacked in 2007 after Laal Masjid Attack.


Gen Z is nearly blind to the shenanigan's of Musharraf alas.

You can go back to the old forum and you'll find many religiously defending his overthrow of N.S government. The blindness isn't just limited to Gen Z...

 

[Oscar]

bro you are more Salty than Dead sea, chill out... you are only seeing one side of the picture, and blaming Mushy solely for the situation of Pakistan and everything you listed shows that your saltiness is coming from things you don't understand.

So Musharraf should not be blamed?
Just because people were able to buy vitz now?
Or that for a point suddenly all MQM walas felt “loved” by the state again and many lucknowis made millions of IDEAS setup?
Or that his own media liberation and coverage of Lal masjid ignited a fire that still burns through TLP?

 

[Oscar]

You can go back to the old forum and you'll find many religiously defending his overthrow of N.S government. The blindness isn't just limited to Gen Z...

NS was an idiot - man could not brief foreign dignitaries on Kashmir issue properly and his first instinct to walk into anywhere was to ask for “Tikkay and paya”.

Moreover - which fool decided to start Kargil adventure when his PM and the Indian PM were all but decided on a long term peace.
When you didn’t have religious hatred and mind numbing social media nutjobs running Indian perception of Pakistan and instead actually had the majority of both sides both still culturally accepting of a peace.

But who brought in NS and fam anyway?

Regardless - this is outside the scope of this thread.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Did you live through his horrible screwups? I did and I clearly remember the social fabric was nearly destroyed.


Kargil. Screwed up so bad, Nawaz Sharif had to save Pakistan army. Who in the hell send army without airforce cover? the brain dead general initiated kargil without assessing the capabilities of Indian army. and airforce at that time. Our Army was getting slaughtered by Indian Airforce and Artillery and our Jawans were fighting with just small arms and mortars.


Claimed American attack on Bajaur Madrassa which killed 80 kids as Pakistani attack done by Pak Army. This was the beginning of TTP in 2005.

Made MQM stronger which caused the 12th May 2007 deadly gangwar and that persisted until 2016 and thanks to General Raheel action in 2016, he cleaned the mess of his mentor Musharraf

Giving NRO to MQM, PPP, PMLN.

Destroyed Judiciary in 2007.

Killing Akbar Bugti. 20 years after Balochistan is still in flames.

Nearly destroyed the reputation of Army.

Daily attacks on army in 2006, 2007. I remember when Tarbela base was attacked in 2007 after Laal Masjid Attack.


Gen Z is nearly blind to the shenanigan's of Musharraf alas.

Im not pro mush. but I have lived in Sui Balochistan. I have seen barrage of rockets fired at sui gas compresser plant, to blackmail GOP

Mr. Akbar Bugti, used to get very heavy sums for gas reserves and off the books he was allowed to have vast lands in Sindh and Punjab border areas

you dont know anythin Akbar bugti, he was a blackmailer, had jails full of those who opposed him, kept his clan poor and uneducated


he was also involved in killing of Bhambhore Rifles service men, I know this, because I used to play cricket with their officers

 

[Bratva]

bro you are more Salty than Dead sea, chill out... you are only seeing one side of the picture, and blaming Mushy solely for the situation of Pakistan and everything you listed shows that your saltiness is coming from things you don't understand.

You being karachi wala and having affinity to Musharraf is understandable. Your entire reply is gibberish without any substance to it. Try harder with facts next time.

 

[Bratva]

Im not pro mush. but I have lived in Sui Balochistan. I have seen barrage of rockets fired at sui gas compresser plant, to blackmail GOP

Mr. Akbar Bugti, used to get very heavy sums for gas reserves and off the books he was allowed to have vast lands in Sindh and Punjab border areas

you dont know anythin Akbar bugti, he was a blackmailer, had jails full of those who opposed him, kept his clan poor and uneducated


he was also involved in killing of Bhambhore Rifles service men, I know this, because I used to play cricket with their officers

And how is balochistan without Bugti now? Or lets go back to 2006, after he was killed, it should have ended right? All the blackmailing and rocket attacks? Balochistan situation needed tact and civilian/Paramilitary agency dealing with the rebels. You brought army, enforced disappearances and that rebellion spiraled from sparring with tribals to common baloch.

 

[maverick]

A drunkard General whose love of whiskey not only destroyed the social fabric of our society but made a mess in balochistan. F@ucked up county so bad. That Kiyani had to salvage the the Army reputation. Your lion heart was begging american low level congressman and senators on video to let him rule Pakistan for one more time. Died in obscurity and outside Pakistan. He ran away from the country he used to rule, what kind of lionheart runs away from his territory?. Such is the death of those who harmed Pakistan. No wonder why you like such people based on your attitude and behavior.

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He was an idiot, geedhar bhipkian, but an amazing orator and a showman..

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

And how is balochistan without Bugti now? Or lets go back to 2006, after he was killed, it should have ended right? All the blackmailing and rocket attacks? Balochistan situation needed tact and civilian/Paramilitary agency dealing with the rebels. You brought army, enforced disappearances and that rebellion spiraled from sparring with tribals to common baloch.

thats true, only with hindsight!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

A drunkard General whose love of whiskey not only destroyed the social fabric of our society but made a mess in balochistan. F@ucked up county so bad. That Kiyani had to salvage the the Army reputation. Your lion heart was begging american low level congressman and senators on video to let him rule Pakistan for one more time. Died in obscurity and outside Pakistan. He ran away from the country he used to rule, what kind of lionheart runs away from his territory?. Such is the death of those who harmed Pakistan. No wonder why you like such people based on your attitude and behavior.

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Im not pro mush. but out of curiosity, do you know any other Pak. political leader, who has not done any thing like this in his political life?!!


at least I dont. So, instead of blaming him, I'd rather understand, what circumstances created this kind of leadership

 

[Starlord]

So Musharraf should not be blamed?
Just because people were able to buy vitz now?
Or that for a point suddenly all MQM walas felt “loved” by the state again and many lucknowis made millions of IDEAS setup?
Or that his own media liberation and coverage of Lal masjid ignited a fire that still burns through TLP?

Blame whoever you want but lets not forget that he did a lot of good for Pakistan given the circumstances, now the member posted Mushy's "Secret" video of begging for Leadership so who didn't beg for leadership in Pakistan? Also the same member live in Qatar who is basically begging Americans for protection after Israel drop few bombs few KM away from their shinny palaces, but hey can't criticize the Emir or else will get deported or jailed.
Under Mushy Karachi and others parts of Pakistan saw peaceful time which we haven't in my living memory, yes it was mostly due to his love affairs with MQM but people blame him for Lal Masjid and Cheap Justice as in Iftekhar was some God send reincarnation of Esa Ibn Maryam, or Bhugti who was some saint. Bhugti was a freaking warlord who treated his people worse than Animals, he ran private jails where people were tortured beyond measure, but he was fighting the evil state and threatening the state and got killed in the process so lets blame Mushy and make him a martyr ? Lal masjid was not on Mushy because it was the radicals they would eventually start suicide bombings anyway, because once the whole school was running by religious zealots its already late, even if Mushy presented his Tashreef to them it will not suffice. people who used lal masjid as excuse for starting the worse wave of suicide bombing in Pakistan don't care, operation or not.

 

[Starlord]

You being karachi wala and having affinity to Musharraf is understandable. Your entire reply is gibberish without any substance to it. Try harder with facts next time.

I don't need to use FACT with people like you, I know you bunch from the old times of PDF, trust me I knew the standard of PDF discussions. And you asking for FACTS like you listed a bunch of FACTS in your post lol
Of course I am Karachi wala and any leader under rule I see some peace and prosperity for Pakistan I will support, yes I support MQM times as well as we saw peace and later ANP/PPPP bring Afghando's in Karachi and turn the city into a pile of Garbage.

 

[safriz]

Lion Heart......


No one can match him.

Musharraf was a great guy. Really liked him.